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Ep. 89 Paranormal Cabin: Chilling Turndown Service w/ Brian McDaniel
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When comedian and Minnesota lobbyist Brian McDaniel reached out about returning to the podcast, we knew we were in for a compelling story. What we didn't expect was the powerful journey through mortality, survival, and the unexplained that would unfold.
Brian opens up about his life-changing experience surviving the notorious "widow maker" heart attack—an event with only a 25% survival rate inside hospitals and a mere 12% outside. His remarkable recovery took him from emergency surgery to Metallica concerts in the same week, along with a 65-pound weight loss transformation. As the lobbyist for the American Heart Association, Brian brings a unique perspective to his own cardiac emergency, sharing both the medical reality and personal impact of facing mortality so directly.
But cheating death seems to have opened Brian to experiences beyond our understanding. The heart of our conversation focuses on the unexplained phenomena occurring at his newly purchased cabin in northern Minnesota. Three separate individuals, including Brian himself, have independently experienced the exact same paranormal activity—toilet paper mysteriously moving from the toilet to the sink vanity. What makes these encounters particularly compelling is that each witness had no knowledge of the others' experiences, eliminating suggestion or pranks as explanations.
The cabin's previous owner built it for his retirement but passed away shortly afterward, with his widow returning to Korea and leaving everything behind—from furniture to condiments in the refrigerator. Now Brian finds himself documenting unexplained events that intensify after renovations, including malfunctioning cameras, lights turning on independently, and even physical contact during the night.
Whether you're a skeptic or believer, Brian's thoughtful approach to these experiences offers fascinating insights into how we process the unexplained. Rather than fear, he approaches the presence with respect and acknowledgment, finding that these encounters actually reinforce his belief in something beyond our physical world.
Join us for this extraordinary conversation about life, death, and what might exist in between. Subscribe to Scalarious for more thought-provoking discussions that challenge our understanding of reality.
Thanks for watching what's going on. This is Scalarius, I am John Olson and with me, as always, is DW, the drunk Wisconsinite, Serene DW. You put the DW and DWI In Wisconsin. You know that.
Speaker 2:I'm not from Wisconsin.
Speaker 1:I figured I would say that I would alienate you and everybody in Wisconsin. I'm cool with it.
Speaker 2:Well, this is Speaking of Wisconsin, though.
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Speaker 1:That's good. Nobody gives us anything, dw, we're barely a show.
Speaker 2:Nope.
Speaker 1:But here we go, ready, there we go. That's how it's done, and that's a Diet Coke who definitely doesn't give us anything. So, dubs, how's it going? Man, it's been a while. If anybody knows this, we decided to go to a monthly format instead of weekly yeah now um. Just let's clear the air um, dw. Is there any animosity between me and you?
Speaker 2:no um I have people been saying that is that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think it's kind of like the thing, like maybe like me and you kind of like when at odds or whatever, and we can barely handle each other and we whatever.
Speaker 2:I just want to clear the air that there is no animosity between yourself and I. I dislike you just as much today as the first episode.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, yeah that's not new yeah, see, um, the real story is is that there there are things happening, and you know and actually here's to back up a little bit.
Speaker 2:Before we started doing this, we had been in talks about hey, we're coming up on, uh, almost two years and we're just like what do we do? And we're saying do we stop it completely? Do we scale it back? Do we go on hiatus, what? And I don't can't remember who first pitched it, but I was like what, if we go to monthly and then we're doing 12 shows a year instead of 52, gives us a little bit we're running a marathon, not a sprint, you know and it gives us a little bit more time to to find people to. Um I and another analogy to give you is I feel like it's more quality versus quantity there we go. It's not about like we don't want to. If we don't have a guest lined up, we don't want to record a show for no reason and just to to record a show you know're trying this.
Speaker 2:This is new. We're going to see how it goes and work from there, basically.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're going to kick it off really good, though I feel like it's going to be a good one. It's kind of a blast from the past that way, but I mean still, DW collapsed All right, he just fell over.
Speaker 2:No, I'm here.
Speaker 2:Okay, all right last time I did that, you know it caused a big story that was yeah yeah, I probably shouldn't say things I um yeah doing anything of anything, so right because, to clarify, I record this, we do this from, we do this remotely, so I'm at home right now and at moment there's the rest of the family in the house and sometimes stuff comes up that I need to assist with. So if I leave abruptly, it's not because of anything you said. Well, john, it might be something you said. I know what's your uh phrase, which one on on the shirt?
Speaker 2:I have no idea who john olsen is no, no, the I don't care if I I'm not trying to offend you, but I don't care if I do.
Speaker 1:I'm not trying to offend you, but I don't care. Video. I might have to change that a little bit. I mean, I mean, I'm not, I'm not saying this, saying like I, I, I don't. I, I guess I might care a little bit if I offend somebody, but I'm not, I'm not spidey, I'm not as bitey as what I, what I want to. Can I tell you something? I got to tell you this and I feel, like you, you guys might well. You know that our guest is listening to. So I mean, guys, it's fine, but I feel you guys might enjoy this and you guys, as also the audience.
Speaker 1:You know, I kind of going through a thing, a journey. I renewed my relationship with Christ, you know our Lord and Savior, and with that, you know, my heart is changing. And when I say my heart is changing, it's different. I'm different than what I was before. I've noticed and this is weird, but probably true to nature is that I get more hate now by speaking of Christ and God than I ever did when I was being offensive and whatever. So I find that I just find it weird, it's odd yeah yeah anyway.
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Speaker 2:I feel that one's Because I don't say that.
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Speaker 2:Well, we're not a couple, which, I believe, is also a shirt isn't it, it is.
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Speaker 1:You know all those people out here that are listening to this show and they're like, hey, so-and-so, down the street they got a goober goblin that's attacking their face or whatever, and, ooh, that's a pretty cool story. We'd like to hear that. Let's yeah, let's get them on. It would be kind of fun to listen to it. Here's the deal, though, and I think we've already said this back a couple episodes ago, when we talked about the state of the scolarius address thing. Uh, we're not doing psychic greetings on the air anymore. We're not doing tarot cards. We're not doing any of that mumbo jumbo. So if you want to talk about ghosts, I'm cool. If you want to talk about experiences, we're cool, but any of the other junk. And that's right, I said junk, any of the other junk, when I handle it not not as hilarious.
Speaker 2:No mo right dw which, by the way, you said ghosts, and I have to bring this up before I forget. You may have noticed this, but I feel stupid that I just now noticed it and I saw someone post it online. Speaking of Ghostbusters and I mean the original, the first one.
Speaker 1:Yep.
Speaker 2:The Rick Moranis character keeps getting locked out of his apartment. It's an ongoing. He does it like four or five times in the movie. Yeah, do you notice the irony that he is the key master? I know later I I feel so stupid that I didn't notice that before and I'm like, oh my gosh, because that's, those are like my. That's. My favorite running gag of the movie is that he just happens to run out in the hall and he forgets and he locks his door. He's the key master.
Speaker 1:That's, that's hilarious I don't know why, but one of my favorite well, a couple, some of my favorite lines from ghostbusters obviously come from lewis tully. One of them is like okay, who brought the dog? Because, because I thought that that was great. Also, when Janine asked him if he wanted a coffee, he's like do I?
Speaker 2:And he goes yes, have some, yes, have some, yeah, I don't know, it's great stuff.
Speaker 1:Anyway, all right. So we got to get the show on the road, and I do literally mean the show. So we are going to bring in our guest, who's actually been here before. It's been oh I don't know, it's been a while pretty much close to the beginning of this thing. He was great. He's a comedian, he's a lobbyist for the state of Minnesota. That's got to be a fun job, but he's got some extra other experiences.
Speaker 2:He's got more. He's got more.
Speaker 1:That have happened since that show and kind of a life-changing event, so we're going to get right into it. Brian McDaniel, how's it going?
Speaker 3:It's going great, guys. Glad to be back. Be back. What was I like? Episode 7 or 17 or something like that.
Speaker 2:It was it was very early on.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, glad to be back should we look it up quick?
Speaker 2:I'm curious now yeah, I'll, I'll let you guys usually, I'm sorry to say, but usually john is the one who's like oh yeah, you were episode this number. You know he's usually got it right on his fingertips.
Speaker 1:But not today. You know I have other things that are going on. I've been. You know this is going to sound really, I mean, I don't care, it sounds great. Actually, I've been memorizing Bible verses. I haven't been memorizing episodes of Scolarius. Let's just throw it there, All right. Where are you at Episode 19. Actually, 70 episodes ago, man 70, which is more than a year. Definitely more than a year now, since we're going to go monthly. But yeah, dude, so that's awesome 70 episodes ago. So in those 70 episodes, let's chat a little bit as to what has happened. First of all, I feel that we all need to say this absolutely grateful that you're even sitting there. You want to kind of go into that for just a second yeah.
Speaker 3:So, uh, what john's uh talking about is that I recently um celebrated my one year anniversary of having the widowmaker heart attack. It was in August of 2024. And I was mowing the lawn and as I was mowing it's a longer story than this, but I'm giving you the cliff notes but as I was mowing the lawn, you know I would take a couple of steps and then I'd feel some pain and I had felt something earlier in the day and the night before, but they had kind of rectified themselves. So I'm mowing, just, you know, a small part of the grass and you know I just can kind of feel something right here. That's not right. And my wife came out and looked at me and I'm standing there and I'm clutching my chest and she goes, are you all right? And I said I think you need to take me somewhere now, because you know the Lord works in mysterious ways.
Speaker 3:I'm the lobbyist for the American Heart Association, so so I kind of knew what, the, the, you know the what, what you're supposed to be looking for when you are having a heart attack, and even still, at first I kind of thought it was something else. But so I had my wife take me to the urgent care, knowing that they'd throw me in an ambulance if something really was up. They almost immediately said get to the hospital. So we were able to drive me to the hospital, where I sat in the emergency room for five hours waiting for them to find a room for me. Now they were checking on me, they were checking on me, they were doing tests, but I sat there for five hours, you know in, you know the in the cantina scene from from star Wars, cause it was a busy night at the at the St Paul ER. Um and uh. So they, you know, do tests overnight. In the morning they come to me and they said um, well, you know, we are going to have to put a stent in your heart. Um and uh, that we that, you know it looks like you're. You had the widow maker, uh, heart attack. And I said to them I said you know, I, I lobby for the heart association. I know what the widow maker is. And the widow maker has a 25% survival rate If you have it in the hospital, 12% survival rate if you have it outside of the hospital. So I was extraordinarily lucky with what happened and so the heart attack originally happened on a Monday, I got a stent put in. On Tuesday, I was discharged. On Wednesday, I went to work on Thursday, I went to Metallica on Friday and Sunday and then the next Tuesday I went down to Chicago for a Cubs game.
Speaker 3:So, and it's been a journey and there's been, you know, there was a fair amount of rehab that went into it, but I lost 65 pounds and I'm down to my high school weight, which just means I was fat in high school. But yeah, but no, it's been great. I really don't even think about it. To be perfectly honest, you know a lot of people, you know, because I, you know there's kind of a community of people who have heart attacks and you know I have friends and co-workers and people at the Capitol who are really kind of haunted you know, scolarius haunted. I haven't had this heart attack and I'm just lucky that when people say, oh, how are things going, I, you know, I bought a business in January, so I always assume that they're talking about that. So, all things considered, I sweat a lot less, haven't had any, haven't had any complications really, since then. I go back to the cardiologist in September. So thanks, guys, I'm happy to be here.
Speaker 2:Wow, that was a crazy week. You just listed off like more than I've done in a year and yeah geez, I probably.
Speaker 3:Probably Metallica wasn't advisable, but I went on Monday with my son and I went on Sunday with my daughter and I have an older son who I went to Metallica with years ago, so I wanted to make sure that all three kids got to go to a concert with me.
Speaker 1:That's pretty awesome make sure that all three kids got to go to a concert with me. That's pretty awesome, I was. You said you were lucky. Now I have to disagree with you on that. No, not. I can hear everybody be like, oh you know, no, that's not what I'm saying. Listen, you weren't lucky. You're here specifically because you're supposed to be not. Not on scolarius. Okay, yes, you're supposed to be here too, but what I'm saying is like you're here, yes, you're supposed to be here too, but what I'm saying is like you're here because you're supposed to be here. So, uh, and that is that's amazing in itself.
Speaker 1:Now that, right there, I'm going to be honest with you your experience, because you know we're we're not close, we're facebook friends and we do talk, we chat on there and we're both brothers in in in blue. I mean not, not, not cops cubby blue, um, but you know your, your thing there basically, in a way, made it to where. So I had blood tests done not too long after you had that done and my triglycerides and everything were sky high and so at that point I'm like, oh, gonna cut out the saturated fat, gonna exercise more, gonna do whatever. I haven't had blood taken since, but I'm assuming it's a lot less, considering the fact that I'm dang near 70 pounds lighter than what I was at that point. So in a way, man like who knows, who knows what's going to happen to me tonight, tomorrow, whatever. But I'm here. And part of that reason why I'm here is because I mean, you're close to my age, that happened and you know. It kind of scared me for the for the it was like I don't want that happening.
Speaker 3:If you've lost 70 pounds and I lost 65, we essentially dropped a whole backstreet boy. So we got that. But no, really, I'm glad to hear that. But I've had many people tell me that you know, after something happened they went and got checked out and found something or didn't find something, but it's good to get looked at.
Speaker 3:I had had a friend from radio, drew Lee. He used do uh the justice and jews uh um show on uh twin cities news talk. He was around our age, around our old stature, all that stuff, and I was texting with him and he died, had a massive heart attack while I was texting with him. He didn't text arg or anything like that, so I didn't know that he had died, but he but he did. He did die.
Speaker 3:And then I got looked at and what's weird is that? So three years before my heart attack I had gotten a workup and they kind of told me you know, no, you know some things to work on, but nothing too uh, too uh, uh, too scary or nothing that would predict that I would have a 95 to 99% blockage in my the main artery of my heart. So they actually think that plaque gathered and dislodged and then wedged itself. It wasn't that it kind of grew closed, it dislodged the. But you know, you don't know. So hey, everybody, don't be a hero. Go see the doctor if something's uh not feeling right and um, uh, you know.
Speaker 1:Good luck yeah, otherwise we're gonna end up like the uh well, probably I was gonna say we're at different beliefs now, but whatever I was gonna say otherwise, we're gonna end up like the people we're gonna talk about here in just a minute, but maybe, maybe not. I'm I'm pretty comfortable knowing where I'm going and it's not hot anyway. Um, yeah, so that happened. You. You were just. You're here and you're doing your job. You're you're again a lobbyist for the state of Minnesota, for the American Heart Association, which is pretty cool. So what is the other venture that you decided to get into? That maybe, I don't know, led to you contacting me to talk about your experiences.
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, everyone, go back and watch this. Probably just that was probably just audio. Go back and listen to episode 19. You can hear that the house that I'm in right now. I had some experiences, in which included, you know, hearing the ghost speak my name. I won't go through it all again, but you know I'm pretty, pretty confident what I heard and there was other things around it.
Speaker 3:But what John is talking about is that in June of this year I purchased a cabin in Aiken, minnesota, which is a little bit north of Lake Mille Lacs. It was a fantastic cabin. We were very lucky and grateful to get it. I actually bought it with my business partner, so and her name is Amy, and so Amy and I purchased this cabin for our families to use, and you know we it's not on a scary lot, it's not a super old structure, it's relatively new in construction. So when we walked into it we had no reason to think that there were going to be any experiences there. But what we found out through the process was and this is a little bit of a sad story is that the gentleman who owned the cabin who we, I guess, purchased it from, had worked his whole life, built this cabin to retire in and shortly after he retired he died and his wife was Korean, like from Korea, so when her husband died she did not have any, you know, anchoring her to the United States. She moved back to Korea so they left. They left the dock, the boat, the fishing gear, the tools, the riding lawnmower, the TVs, the couches, the sheets, the forks, the mustard in the refrigerator. They left everything there which you know, really, you know was cool because we didn't have to buy all that stuff. We can slowly, kind of, you know, swap it out.
Speaker 3:So we were there a number of weekends without any incidences or any reason to think that there would be, uh, an incident. And then, uh, my business partner, her fiance and his uh kid, uh, were up at the cabin and I got a call and it was my business partner, amy, freaking out and, uh, what had happened to her, um, her, was that she had, because she had a bunch of boys with her high school boys it was her fiance's son and a friend of his she had put extra toilet paper on the back of the toilet tank in the master bedroom tank in the master bedroom and, you know, left the room and you know there's an upstairs and a downstairs. So the kids were downstairs and they were upstairs. The adults they go into the bathroom and a roll of toilet paper had moved from the back of the toilet tank to the, you know, sink vanity area. Well, they didn't think that much of that, they put it back and went about their day and it happened again.
Speaker 3:Now Amy, my business partner, was a front row witness to some of the stuff that had happened in my home and you know I'm somebody who's not afraid of anything that happened in the house. You know John has talked about his faith. I was somebody who grew up pretty religious and kind of, you know have struggled with certain of the manmade aspects of it, but I'm very comforted by these experiences because, you know, that tells me that there is, there definitely is something else out there. So, um, I don't think that it's an incongruent, um uh belief system necessarily. But with that being said, amy, who grew up extraordinarily and still is very um, um, um religious and cognizant of the spirit world, was freaking out, freaking out about the toilet paper moving more than once. So I believed her because I've had my own experiences and she was freaking out to a degree that I didn't think that her fiance was trying to tease her. I didn't think that his kids were doing that and she was very convinced that they were not playing a prank on her. So they don't have any other experiences that whole weekend.
Speaker 3:I go back to work on Monday and I go into investigation mode because I started thinking well, I don't know how the previous owner died, so did he die in the cabin? I don't know. So we started doing research. We can't find a death certificate anywhere, anywhere in Minnesota. My coworkers and I it was one of those things where you know we all have real jobs. But all of a sudden now we're on murder. She wrote and we're trying to figure out did the Korean wife kill him and that's why she had to get out of town? Turns out that wasn't true. He died in Florida. There was no connection between him passing away and the cabin. There's no connection between him passing away and the cabin. But what we also figured out is, the weekend that my business partner was at the cabin and had had the experience, she painted the bedroom and that was really the only thing that we had changed in the whole cabin, because you know all the couches, tvs, everything else was just the way they left it, except now the bed, the master bedroom or one of the rooms master bedrooms was painted. So okay, anyway, that's what happened there.
Speaker 3:One of my coworkers, who did not know about any of this, nothing about it, had a business meeting up in northern Minnesota and was going to stay at the cabin on her way back. So I did not tell her anything about this because I wanted to kind of see, is she going to have any experience? So she sleeps over, she calls me the next morning and she goes oh, brian, the cabin's lovely had a great time. And then she pauses, then she goes. The guy we bought it from his name was Tony. She goes. Did Tony die in the cabin? No way. And I said why she goes? Because you have a ghost. Oh gosh, she knew nothing of what had happened. So what had happened to her was she brought her stuff into the bedroom and the bedspread whatever the right word is duvet, whatever it is was just normal on a bed. She leaves, she comes back, and it had been turned down Kind of like in a hotel. Now that's something where maybe you forget that you do it. And she even thought well, I didn't think that I had turned that down, but you know, maybe she did so spends her time in the cabin, she goes to bed and then she is awoken at night by something grabbing her leg and I mean she didn't freak out as much as she could have because she waited till the morning to call me. But she says it was a pretty. You know, she's pretty convinced it wasn't. You know some something, you know a waking dream or something like that. So she, she believed that. Okay.
Speaker 3:So fast forward, another couple of weekends and my business partner and her fiance are back at the cabin Now. Also during this time. I have not been to the cabin since before the first incident, but my wife had been up there by herself and she had been up there with a female friend of hers and they had no experiences, but they had slept in the basement bedrooms, not in the master bedroom upstairs. So we were kind of like, like I said, I believed it because I believe in these things, but you kind of have to experience it before you believe it yourself. So my business partner and her fiance are back there. They're kind of like running tests now, of trying to see if they put the toilet paper back on the tank if it will move again, and it didn't do that.
Speaker 3:When her fiance was trying to take pictures of the bedroom, his on his camera on his phone, they would turn out completely black. They'd go back. He'd go outside then test the camera, take pictures works fine, would go back in the bedroom and the picture was black. Also, he feels like when he took the picture, the lights in the bedroom were off and when he left and then came back, he believes that they were on. Now, OK, this could be a Verizon issue. It could be that he flipped the light on. You know, I'm not so cuckoo bananas on this stuff that I can't believe that there are other explanations for some of these things. Sure, there are, but that was also something that freaked them out. Okay, you're probably saying okay, brian, way to come on our podcast and tell us about stuff that people told you. Did you experience anything? What?
Speaker 1:John and D. I was thinking that, but I mean you know he kept.
Speaker 2:it just sounded like in the whole storyline we hadn't gotten to that part yet it sounds like he's setting the stage for okay, then I went back to the cabin.
Speaker 3:So two weekends ago, there, I was up at the cabin. My daughter was with us with one of her friends, so they were sleeping downstairs, so we were going to sleep in the upstairs bedroom to let them, you know, do their you know, teenage, teenage girl, and um, so we're upstairs, we're watching, we're watching tv I think it was actually a rerun of the shield and um, my wife goes into the bathroom and comes out with a look on her face and she goes did you move the toilet paper? And I looked at her and I said I 100% did not move the toilet paper. And then, you know and she believes in this stuff too, but she was probably more skeptical of Amy's story than I was but I just see my wife kind of looking at me, looking in the bathroom, looking at me looking in the bathroom, looking at me looking in the bathroom. She goes the toilet paper is moved. So I got up, I walked over there. The girls were in the basement, so they did not move it, nor did they know about this, so they did not move it. And my wife does not have, oh, the sense of whimsy that you would need to play a prank on all of us. So I walked in there and 100% the toilet paper that I had personally placed on the back of the toilet to test this was now squarely moved onto the sink vanity, whatever you would call it, onto the sink vanity, whatever you would call it and there is a big gap between the toilet and where where the toilet paper ended up. So it didn't bounce, it didn't roll nothing. If it to get from point A to point B, either a human did it or Tony did it.
Speaker 3:Wow, not being afraid of these things, I just kind of said hey, tony, we acknowledge your presence, thank you for letting us use your beautiful cabin. We're having such a great time. Thank you, all that stuff, okay, so you know, we're, you know, you know, not freaked out, but kind of like surprised that we had experienced it exactly the same way that it had been relayed to us from amy, um and uh, no one was there. Amy wasn't there, her fiance wasn't there, the boys weren't there, my daughter and her friends were in the basement, so there was nobody. That was. That was prank here. So, excuse me. So you know, we were like, okay, I guess it's real. So we go to bed. And now this I'm just going to have to admit a little bit that, from this point of the story on, I had had a few beers, that, from this point of the story on, I had had a few beers, I was, I was. I'm willing to say that some of what I'm about to say might have been influenced by our good friend Coors Light. So, anyway, we go to bed.
Speaker 3:This is the first night that we are sleeping in the main master upstairs bedroom, which is where Clint, amy and our work colleague had all had experiences. So we go to bed Almost immediately. I kind of feel like something has kind of like held was holding my feet. Power of suggestion, absolutely maybe.
Speaker 3:Then it appeared as though the room there was a darkness that was going from I guess it would be from right to left in the bedroom, not just like shadows, because it was. It was dark, it was night, lights were out, but there was a darkness that was kind of creeping in the room. That was, it seemed darker than dark. It got about three fourths of the way there and then it kind of stopped. And my wife is sleeping at this point, but I'm pretty awake, um, so I'm kind of watching this. I also kind of turn to where the window is and there were drapes in front of the window but there's light coming in from like the moon and all that, and I'm pretty sure I saw a shadow figure.
Speaker 3:Now we had had a good night, a little inebriated. So I'm willing to say there are possible reasons that this did not happen exactly that way this last part. So I kind of nudged my wife and I kind of said do you see this? And she said no, and I could still see it and it wasn't. How do I explain it? It wasn't like a human, humanoid figure exactly. It was almost like a gingerbread man, in that it seemed more rounded, to stay with the Ghostbusters theme. It was a little bit closer to the Stay Puft Marshmallow man.
Speaker 1:I don't know why, but immediately I'm like oh no, my buttons, my gumdrop buttons, you monster. I don't know why, but immediately.
Speaker 2:I'm like, oh no, my buttons, my, my.
Speaker 3:So so anyway. So I asked my wife if she had seen it, if she was looking at it. She looked, she did not see it. So I just said, hey, can you turn the light on for a little bit? So, and this was like the first time that I got a little bit weirded out so we turned the light on for a little bit and I kind of read a book and just kind of convinced myself, saying, hey, whatever's going on here, it's not gonna hurt you.
Speaker 3:I mean it's not. It hasn't given any kind of malevolent feeling about it, though the shadow figure was something new, because in my house I have never seen any physical manifestation, other than the one time that it said my name clear as a bell Episode 13. I'm sorry, episode 19 of the sclerosis podcast. Um, so, uh. So that was our, that was our um experience. We did put an ipad in the bathroom to try to record, hey, I believe, all this stuff, but why isn't there one single you know good video of, you know of the, of it moving, of anything moving across the room? So we wanted to get, we wanted to get pictures of it. Quite, obviously, nothing happened when we had the camera set up there.
Speaker 3:We go through the next day no experiences. Um. We go through the next day no experiences. Um, we go to bed the second night and it kind of felt the same thing where there was the encroaching darkness. I kind of feel like I saw something, you know, in front of the window. In my mind it was pretty clear what it was, but once again my wife says she didn't see it. But by this point I just wasn't going to be afraid of it, I just wasn't going to let it spook me or scare me or anything like that. And then we were back this last weekend and we had no experiences at all but we did paint one of the bedrooms in the basement. I guess when I go back we're going back this weekend for labor day weekend I guess we'll test the theory of you know does altering the cabin? You know, you know, bring about, uh, bring about, uh, you know, experiences from our ghost tony so I I have to ask this like are you?
Speaker 1:are you familiar with matrixing? Um, uh, probably not specifically like, not, obviously not the movie, that horrible, horrible movie. Um, no, uh, matrixing is basically when you, when you, you see something and then your mind starts to develop what it thinks it is. So therefore, it will come out the way. I mean, you know what I mean, like, like, um, I'm not saying you saw the gingerbread man which would be hilarious, by the way or the staple of marshmallow man, because I could just I, it's a staple of marshmallow man, okay, but anyway.
Speaker 1:So, um, nobody steps in the church in my town um but uh, it's a possibility based on how dark, like how dark was it in the room was no lights whatsoever, just the moon no lights, just the moon and the you know, the shadows or whatever was on the right side.
Speaker 3:It was about three-fourths or two-thirds of the the way across the room. So there was light coming in from outside and I'm perfectly willing to chalk this up as to something that was power of suggestion or something like that. Um, toilet paper. Though the toilet paper, I will vouch 100.
Speaker 1:It happened just the way I said it which is ironic because the first episode we ever recorded of scolarius was the toilet paper it was toilet paper. There was a toilet like sincerely, uh, randy and carlo funny guy, I don't know if you know. Do you know randy?
Speaker 3:oh a funny guy randy, randy and carlo, absolutely, I know him yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:so so he was on our very first episode and he talked about, technically, toilet paper. The toilet paper ended up in the middle of the. Yeah anyway, it was good stuff and it was the first thing I thought about when you started talking about it. I was like that's ironic. It was the first thing I thought about when you started talking about it. I was like that's ironic. It's kind of crazy in a way that it's kind of everything's kind of coming around full circle. Now, if we get somebody else on here that like has talking pets or anything else, we're going to I don't know what's going to happen. Okay so, but you had three different people that had that experience, three different people that have had that experience.
Speaker 3:Three different people. None of them were physically together when it happened. No, when it happened to my business partner, she was there with her family. When it happened to my my coworker, she was there alone. When it happened with me and my wife, you know my coworker and my business partner, they weren't there at all. So these are separate and distinct and you know, if one person's playing a joke, they weren't. They weren't there to do it.
Speaker 1:on the other two people so and you and your coworker kind of had similar experiences in a way, based on the grabbing of the ankle maybe, possibly, or whatever.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, I believe that 100%, that she believes that that happened. I, you know, I felt like there was pressure on my feet, not in a nefarious way, but yeah, I mean to a certain extent. I feel as though my business partner had the toilet paper thing happen I feel like that was confirmed and my, my coworker had the, the, the touching of the of the leg. Now I have a dog. Our dog has not reacted at all, you know, to the, you know, and who knows, every situation is different, I'm sure, but uh, the dog hasn't growled or barked or, you know, been staring off into a weird corner or anything like that. Um, and I feel like what's happening is happening infrequently enough that it's not something that's just explainable. The toilet paper, I can't even tell you. There's really no way to recreate it other than a human picked it up and moved it or it was something in the ghostly realm. The rest of the stuff can be explained, at least in part, by many other different eventualities.
Speaker 1:So the other question I have here. It may be related, maybe completely not, but how many Coors Lights did you have?
Speaker 3:Well, I'm a big guy, but I'm not as big as I used to be, but it was several. Let's just say you know what officer?
Speaker 1:I don't need to answer that without the only reason I'm asking is because you know um you know it's.
Speaker 3:Let me say this, john it was. It was enough that I believe it's a relevant part of the story okay nobody. Nobody was falling over, no one was sloppy drunk, nobody was, you know, blitzed out of their mind. But a good buzz, very good buzz.
Speaker 1:I got you All right. So that's what I was going to ask, because, like you know, it's not against my faith to have alcohol, but it's kind of a sin or whatever to get drunk. Right, that's what I was thinking and to me I'm like well, what's drunk? You know what I mean? And and the answer is I don't know. Nobody really knows what drunk is. So like if somebody says, oh, I had 15 beers. 15 beers to somebody who is bigger, their metabolism's different, whatever they might not be drunk. Somebody who has had four beers, their metabolism's different, whatever they could be absolutely plastered. The question is where I was going with. This is like where do you think you were on the drunk scale? Were you like tipsy, like whoo, or were you like all right, I can go to sleep right now? That's where I'm at yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3:I mean, I definitely was not sloppy drunk. I probably wouldn't have even necessarily called myself drunk, but should I have been, should I have driven? No, that would probably would not have been a smart thing to which I didn't, which I didn't don't want those whiskey plates.
Speaker 1:um, um, no, we don't want those. Hey, well, wow, man, that's pretty awesome. So this is the point where it's like you got to ask yourself some questions Like okay, three people have the same exact experiences, two people have similar experiences. They're all in the same area of the house, the bedroom area. Why do you feel? Maybe not anywhere else, though?
Speaker 3:well, um, I mean or at least not noticeable well, I mean what I what I think is is because we had we had stayed both both me, my wife and my business partner and her fiance. We had stayed there multiple weekends before there had been any experiences. What appears to be the trigger was when they painted the bedroom. Everything that happened happened after that. Pure speculation at this point that that is kind of what got the attention of the occupant.
Speaker 2:That he was upset his baby was changing, okay, fair.
Speaker 1:And then you said you just painted one of the basement bedrooms.
Speaker 3:Gained one of the basement bedrooms. Gained one of the basement bedrooms. So this weekend coming up will be the first time that we will be back since we painted and there will be people sleeping in the basement. Okay, Is it you? I don't know if you figured that out yet. Maybe for science we'll have it. Be us that sleeps in the basement.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying. Don't put your daughter down there. See what happens. Maybe she'll take care of it. Who knows, she'll take care of the ghost, she won't come back.
Speaker 3:There's only a couple ways to make her interesting. So no, I'm kidding, she's a McDaniel. She's great.
Speaker 1:So a, I'm kidding, she's a McDaniel, she's great. So a little off topic a little bit. So how's the? You know you're doing the lobbyist thing, which is always serious work, you know, especially in the state of Minnesota, but how's the comedy stuff going with you? How are you feeling?
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, the comedy is good. I don't don't get out. You know, probably like all of us, I don't get out as much as I I want to. I just did a couple of shows in sock rapids and, uh, I was in bismarck. I haven't been doing a ton in the cities for whatever reason.
Speaker 3:Um, just book just something when I was in barck I told a particular joke and it got a good response and I said, oh, if I told that joke in Minneapolis I'd need an escort to my car, but I just booked a book, something for October in Blaine, so I'm excited about that. But yeah, I mean yeah, I'm always happy when I do it. I always have a good time. I don't get to do it as much as I want. All the clubs that we used to go to are starting to shut down now, unfortunately, but Minneapolis and St Paul are a good scene, but it's changing.
Speaker 1:They're a good scene for the people who they want the scene to be for.
Speaker 3:It's clicky, you've got to have the right friends. Want the scene to be for it's. It's clicky, you gotta have it, you gotta have the right friends and uh, that's uh, you know, people kind of ask you know how do you get gigs? It's like, well, find a funny friend and have them bring, bring you on the show, because that's kind of how, how, uh, it happens. Yeah, so the ccu which I just closed.
Speaker 1:I haven't been there in years, so yeah, I I'd never been there, um, never had the interest to go there. Uh, rip, I guess I don't know. But, um, yeah, I don't know, I never. I, I hate to say this, but I'm going to like I don't have the interest to do a lot of the shows with interested to do a lot of the shows with the, the people that are doing the shows. So I mean in and it's nothing against, it's just maybe we're not going to jive. You know what I mean like, and you gotta jive, you gotta be able to jive me. Dw jive pretty well. Um, I'd love to do a show with you sometime, brian. I think we'd be all right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think that'd happen.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, we can most definitely see what we can do. I don't know, but yeah, I was curious. I wanted to see where you're at.
Speaker 3:Can I ask a question? With a little bit of your kind of rediscovering your faith, I'm assuming that that has drastically changed your material, or is that not true?
Speaker 1:I haven't really done anything. I've been writing or thinking and stuff like that about it, but I haven't really like. I I'm gonna say something that's gonna be like people might whatever. Like I have I have very little interest. Like I used to have this need to get on stage, this need to be like in front of people and to do everything. Both the podcast and comedy kind of like went and it's not that I don't, it's not that I don't want to, it's not the burning desire to have found fulfillment somewhere else.
Speaker 3:Y'all have a hole inside of us that we're kind of looking to fill with something. Some people use drugs, alcohol, volunteering, comedy, music, whatever it is. You know, you're you're choosing to, you know, rediscover your faith, and that is filling your, your hole and that's fantastic to hear.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so, but I'm not saying it's, I'm done by any means. I feel like whatever, whatever he wants me to do, I'm going to do and that's, that's, that's how it's going to go. And who knows, you know, like I looked at it like this, I wasn't, you know. You messaged me and I was like, hey, you want to come on the show and talk about this? I felt at that point it was, you know, this show was supposed to happen. At that point it was, you know, this show was supposed to happen because it wouldn't have happened if, if you didn't come, you know, if you didn't reach out to me, right, like, essentially, it's not that I wasn't going to reach out to you, but I didn't know anything that was going on other than right, other other than what I know, and that was you know what you taught, touched on at the beginning of the show with, uh, with your heart, heart attack, and how lucky you are to be here, and or should I say how blessed you are to be here. And so, yeah, you know, I don't know, I just he's.
Speaker 1:You know, the Carrie is a Carrie Underwood song Jesus, take the wheel like he's got he's song. Jesus, take the Wheel Like he's driving man. That's all I'm saying. He's got it, so I just move along. That's how I'm going, but yeah, so I know maybe you don't want to give too many details, but just throwing us out, there is your cabin up in the iron range.
Speaker 3:Uh, it's in aiken, minnesota, so that's just a little bit north of like the malax area okay, so you're kind of west, central, right well, I mean it's almost like straight north.
Speaker 1:I guess okay yeah, all right, but, but, but far below, you know what you would consider the Iron Range sincerely, the only reason I was thinking that is because, obviously, the landscape changes there, the soil changes there and things like that. Energy is always a big thing, especially when it comes to, like you know, hauntings and whatnot, the paranormal essentially. And I was like, well, maybe there's a possibility, you know that there's just some energy stuck in that house or whatever around there because of the, the soil it's on, but maybe it's just because you're you're changing things up and and he's there and he doesn't like it could be, and and and maybe it's that he just wants to get our attention, you know, because he hasn't really done anything.
Speaker 3:You know, ominous, I mean. Maybe grabbing right, maybe grabbing a young woman's leg is not, uh, completely appropriate, uh, but he did it to me too.
Speaker 1:This is an equal opportunity grabber okay, the worst thing he's done is horrible turndown service. Yeah right, horrible turndown service, yeah right. So so I mean motel five? Yeah, yeah, there you go. Yeah, it's not even not even leaving the light on for you either. That's yeah, did you catch that, dw?
Speaker 2:yeah, I got it.
Speaker 1:Okay, I was just saying that's the old old, that old old commercial. We'll leave the light on for you, I don't for you you do realize I'm like not that far away from you.
Speaker 2:I know these things whatever man.
Speaker 1:All right, brian, no man, I I appreciate here. Well, you're not leaving yet because we have things to do, but you know, I just want to say, like I I want to honestly say this I'm I'm happy that you're not leaving yet because we have things to do. But you know, I just want to say, like I want to honestly say this I'm happy that you're here because, obviously and the way you tell stories is really good, and what I mean by that is you're so articulate and the way that you're telling it it's like I was there. You know what I mean, like which is, um, most people, you can't see this, or whatever. But I'm like kind of sitting back in my chair going like, oh, what's next? What's going on? So, uh, that's, that's very cool. I don't have to pull everything out of you and I'm not saying that I have to do that to anybody, but it's really nice when you're driving the show but you're on cruise control. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:Well, I guess when you work in politics, you get used to talking a lot and, like you said, I reached out to you and I apologize. I had listened to the show pretty regularly, know pretty regularly, for a long time, and then I had fallen off. It sounds like maybe you guys weren't producing as much content, which is maybe why I stopped being reminded of it. But yeah, no, I reached out to you. You guys were the first people that I thought about. Once I kind of had my own experience. I wasn't probably going to talk about somebody else's, but once I had my own experience, I wasn't probably going to talk about somebody else's, but once I had my own, I'm like I'm going to give a.
Speaker 1:John and DW, uh, uh, call and get back on that podcast. So thanks, yeah, absolutely, Uh, I like I said, man, I like to. I think this is a fun, it's always been a fun podcast and it's not, like you know, I'm not itching to get rid of it. It's just we'll have to see what's, what's going on. Like I've always said, you know, we spoke, we spoke about them a few times today and that, that's to me, is putting the message out there, at least for a little bit, and that's kind of what we're going to have to do, to, to keep going the way I feel. But you, but you know, it's all good.
Speaker 3:What episode number will this be?
Speaker 1:89.
Speaker 3:89, giddy up, that's what it says 70 on the dot.
Speaker 1:Look at that. 70 episodes in between. But we were doing it weekly up until what. This is the first one.
Speaker 2:Is it the first, not weekly yeah.
Speaker 1:Yep, so we had a little bit of one. Is it the first, not weekly? Yeah, yep, so we had a little bit of what? Is it a two-week?
Speaker 2:break? Yep, yeah, and then we had. Was there another? There was a. Was there a one-week break in there somewhere?
Speaker 1:yeah, yeah, so I mean from uh uh, it was family emergencies basically so this is the first one that's going to be starting the monthly and I figured you know like we'll this will, yeah, but anyway it's, yeah, we're happy to do it, and that means that we only have three episodes to do our Christmas episode, so that makes me happy. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2:And now I'm curious as to. This is kind of a you're leaving us on a cliffhanger because you've painted the room but you haven't gone back yet. So now it's like what's gonna happen next? So I don't know if we'll have to like, in another few episodes, have another uh, uh, revisit and see if anything else has happened I promise you guys will be the first to know I, I, I want to.
Speaker 2:I'm trying to figure out, like, what else you could do with your toilet paper to just, I don't know, like, maybe get like, does he have a specific brand that he likes? Like, which three do you put out? I don't know, I'm just trying to think of.
Speaker 1:He likes double ply or I don't know whatever yeah, go get the one ply um grape value and then the Charmin and put them like that. See which one he's going to touch.
Speaker 3:Well, you know he's an old Navy man, so we want to give him the two-ply and thank him for his service, right?
Speaker 1:There we go, that's funny.
Speaker 2:That's awesome.
Speaker 1:All right, brian. So if people were going to like look for you, whether it's like want to look for you, whether it's like want to look for you in in at the capitol, or look for you in shows that you're going to do for comedy, or look for you on your podcast, right, no, no, where would they find you?
Speaker 3:so the best way to find me is uh, almost all my handles are at Brian R McDaniel. That's Facebook, twitter, x or Insta, all that stuff. You can find me there. Also, I'm in the 12th year of my podcast, which is a political podcast called Wrong About Everything Two Republicans, two Democrats discussing the weighty issues of the week, and we've been doing it over 12, I think, yeah, over 12,. I think in May it was 12 years. So that's a pretty long time for a podcast. So Wrong About Everything, you can find us wherever you get your favorite podcasts. And also, quite often I'm doing television on Sunday mornings on KSTP with uh at issue, or friday night's uh almanac on pbs. Every tuesday I'm on the bob sansevier show. You can find it at at the bs show dot com and uh yeah, so even I'm getting sick that's.
Speaker 1:That's a lot, and you're on scolarius.
Speaker 3:And on Scalaris.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's pretty friggin' awesome, all right.
Speaker 3:Those other places didn't get the scoop, I brought it here.
Speaker 1:That's good. Yeah, they don't need the scoop. Who's the New York Post? Who are they? Who cares? We got it. That's how that works. Dw. Yeah, oh, dw. You know what I'm going to ask you, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Is it my week? I don't even know whose turn it is. It doesn't matter now. Do you have it? Because I just had my week. It's up here and it's wonky.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it's all breakfast food, all breakfast food.
Speaker 1:All right, all right. Well, brian, here's the thing I think I don't know if we did this with you on the original good question. I don't know if we had started this yet but we, we do this or that and essentially it's just a fun way to end our show. So yeah, are you? Are you down for this or that?
Speaker 3:I'm ready All right there we go DW yes.
Speaker 1:Go ahead with this or that.
Speaker 2:Here we go, Traveling. Would you rather fly or drive? Drive All right In the car.
Speaker 3:Are you going to listen to Mozart or Zeppelin, Zeppelin probably closer to zeppelin, though I'm not not a big led zeppelin guy okay, all right, clue or monopoly clue okay batman or superman oh, going dc huh yeah, um well, I I recently started watching the old 1966 batman cartoon. Um, so I would say probably batman okay, that's cool.
Speaker 2:All right, um, you've perfected your time machine. Do you go back to 1825 or forward to 2225?
Speaker 3:um, I think that I would be a lousy pioneer. So, uh, I'm just thinking about how hot it would be no air conditioning, all those wool clothes.
Speaker 1:So I'd say I would probably go forward all right mine would be mosquitoes like do we not have any spray. I mean for the okay well, I have.
Speaker 3:I also have a sensitive tummy and, uh, I don't know how that would all work and yeah, I like I like to brush my teeth and stuff. You know. You can see why my dad is disappointed in me use tar like the rest of us, anyway, go ahead.
Speaker 2:Is it better to sing in the car or the shower Car? All right, hey. Toilet paper related. Does the toilet paper go over or under?
Speaker 3:Over. I'm not a monster.
Speaker 1:That is legitimately everybody's answer, just like that, sincerely everyone.
Speaker 2:I saw someone post that the the patent for toilet paper showed the image of it going over. It's like. See, even he thought it was over oh yeah, it's not why would you put it in anyway it's.
Speaker 1:It's not supposed to look like a mullet.
Speaker 2:All right, go ahead all right, simpsons or the Office.
Speaker 3:Well, I mean, if I had to be on a desert island with only one show, obviously for longevity reasons and for pop culture it'd have to be the Simpsons I really like recently, have really started to appreciate the pop culture references in the Simpsons.
Speaker 2:So all right, two more here Vinyl records or streaming.
Speaker 3:I want to be vinyl records. I am streaming.
Speaker 2:Okay, alright, last one, jeffrey Dahmer or John Olson.
Speaker 3:I like the fact you're thinking about this. I mean, I think by virtue, that Dahmer lived in Milwaukee. He probably was a Brewers fan. I can't abide by that. So John Olson all day.
Speaker 1:Cubbies's baby.
Speaker 2:No other reason than his sports affiliation. That's how you won.
Speaker 1:But to be fair, that sports affiliation is. I mean that makes brothers out of a lot of people.
Speaker 3:I'm flying the W outside my house as we speak and it does bring people together because you know, there's a gentleman named Cedric Frazier who's a Democrat state representative from, like, the Crystal area who probably is running for Hennepin County attorney now. He and I don't believe anything the same, but he's a Chicago Bears fan.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, wow.
Speaker 3:He's a White Sox fan actually, so the baseball part he loses on. But he and I can bond on football.
Speaker 1:So in my garage right now, I have the Chicago City flag, I have the flag, I have the W flag, I have a Cubs championship banner. It's all there, baby. Every single thing you can think of.
Speaker 3:No one else compares.
Speaker 1:I was at the Minnesota State Fair recently and I walked into the Minnesota Twins shop there, or whatever I go. You got any Cubs stuff and they were like, why would we have Cubs stuff? And I was like, well, why do you have Twins stuff? You don't have a team anymore.
Speaker 3:There are almost more Twins on the Cubs now than Twins on the Twins.
Speaker 1:There we go, yeah. So anyway, I have one question for you on the Cubs now than twins on the twins. There we go. Anyway, I have one question for you and then we can get out of here. It's honestly office related. You picked the Simpsons over the office, but you didn't say that you didn't like the office.
Speaker 3:No, I'm very office conversant, all right.
Speaker 1:So this is the question. I am going to ask this of you and DW. Okay, yep, your opinion of Robert California.
Speaker 2:I stopped watching after Steve Carell left. I just not not stop watching completely, but I didn't watch it as religiously I I just don't think he's funny. I have never laughed at anything he did. He had that, that guest spot on Seinfeld. I didn't think he was funny in that. I just didn't think he was funny.
Speaker 3:I think he's a. Is that what you're talking about?
Speaker 1:Yeah, robert, california, james Spader.
Speaker 2:I think James Spader is a great actor. He is freaking scary in Blacklist but not funny in the Office. So that's what I think of Robert California. I much rather would have seen the whole creed as acting manager play out rather than Robert California, california. I think that would have been a funny direction to go oh, body, bow, body all right, wwwcreedthoughtscom.
Speaker 3:Yeah I would say that that though I I watched more of it maybe than dw did uh, I didn't have that different an opinion of Robert California than DW. I really kind of didn't like him that much. But by the end like when they had the party at his house and all that, when he started getting really weird, then I was entertained by him. But James Spader terribly good actor. He was trying to creep us out and he did so.
Speaker 1:I think that he did, uh, achieve his his goal see, I me personally, everybody's like oh you know, you might as well just shut it off after steve carell left. I'm like I, I don't think so. Creed stepped it up absolutely amazingly and ed helms was red, helms was good and okay, helms was ridiculous. Okay, but he was ridiculous, robert California. He never got the just desserts that he should have gotten.
Speaker 2:I should rephrase I did watch after Steve Carell left, because there were some good episodes in that era. Once James Spader came on, I lost interest though, but I do think. I do think there were some good post Steve Carell ones Workbus comes to mind as one of my favorites. That was like all of a sudden pies are involved and he, kevin, can do math. You know what, if it were salads it, it doesn't work out it doesn't work.
Speaker 1:It doesn't work. See, like kevin's. Another one creed like.
Speaker 3:Those are the yeah, on re-watching and re-watching and re-watching um, because as my kids get older then they get into it, so I get to watch it with them as well. I think the uh unsung hero of those later episodes was gabe. Um, I think that gabe was hilarious and when you go on tiktok or whatever and kind of see the uh improv between between the actors his name is escaping me, but the improv I just got a real appreciation of that character yeah, it's good stuff.
Speaker 1:Well, we're going to end this good alright, we're talking about the Office, so it's all good Brian again, thank you for coming on. Thank you for coming on. Thank you for reaching out anytime. Absolutely, you're more than welcome to come back on here and if you ever need anybody for your podcast to shake things up politically in Minnesota.
Speaker 1:I would be more than happy to help you out, but anyway, all right. So, dw, you know what that means. Yep, I know be more than happy to help you out, but anyway, all right. So, dw, you know what that means.
Speaker 2:Yep, I know what that means.
Speaker 1:All right. Well, I know what that means, and you guys know what that means. It means that you guys have been amazing, we have been Scalarius and we are out for a whole month Later, later, later, are out for a whole month later.