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Ep. 85 Are All Ghosts Really Ghosts?: Bob Lement
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Have you ever pondered what ghosts really are? Bob Lement of Static Radio Podcast turns our paranormal assumptions upside down with his provocative theory: "All ghosts are not ghosts." This mind-bending conversation challenges everything we think we know about the unexplained.
Bob shares his chilling personal encounter with a shadow person following a devastating house fire. Both he and his teenage son independently witnessed the same entity on the same night, with their dog refusing to enter the basement corner where strange noises emanated. Rather than fleeing, they coexisted with this entity for nearly a year. Was it malevolent? Curious? Something beyond our understanding? Bob's thoughtful analysis suggests these phenomena might be more akin to unfamiliar animals cautiously observing us than the demons or departed souls we typically imagine.
The discussion ventures into fascinating territory when Bob suggests that believing in God logically requires equal openness to other unexplained phenomena. After all, we accept many invisible forces in our daily lives—from Wi-Fi signals to radiation—that we only understand through specialized measurement tools. Perhaps ghosts, Bigfoot, and other cryptids simply await the right scientific instruments to bring them from speculation into verifiable reality.
We also dissect the problems with current paranormal investigation techniques, from the questionable logic of ghost hunting exclusively at night to the dubious reliability of spirit boxes and EMF meters. Bob demonstrates how easily psychics can appear convincing through probability and leading questions, performing an impromptu "cold reading" that hits surprisingly close to home.
Whether you're a committed paranormal enthusiast or a curious skeptic, this episode offers fresh perspectives on the mysteries that exist just beyond our perception. Subscribe now and join our exploration of the unexplained—because the truth might be stranger than any theory we've considered so far.
Thanks for watching what's going on. This is scolarius, I am john olsen, and with me, as always, is dew the disabled.
Speaker 2:Wishawashill serene how was that? Was that better?
Speaker 1:and no, not really. It's not really, it's not, I don't know.
Speaker 2:It's right up against the mic, you ready Hold on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yours wasn't as good, okay, yeah, what are you drinking? Cider boys.
Speaker 2:No, I've got a few more of the Wild State, so this is Wild State Classic Dry. I've got a few more of the wild state, so this is wild state classic dry. And this is just a regular, uh, very dry, uh, not too sweet, no extra flavor cider. So not not not saying it's bad. I you know, I've just got, you know, hula dancer or whatever, uh, ciders to but um, but I've got a few more random wild state ones that I have to finish up. Here we are.
Speaker 1:I am drinking a sparkling ice water, starburst strawberry flavored, not bad. What's going on in the house of Serene Serene Manor? Not much. What's going on in the?
Speaker 2:uh, in the house of serene, serene manner, not much. What's going on in casa de betrothed?
Speaker 1:uh, a lot. There's a lot of stuff going on, but you know, it's, it's, it's, it is what it is. We just kind of yeah, I don't know just kind of keep moving and shaking. I do a little bit of uh, I don't know if it's a warning. I don't think it's a warning, but I did ingest some gummies and these gummies were extra potty. So, yeah, this might be a wild ride. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1:You never know All'm saying you never know all right, you never know, uh, dw, there's uh, I don't know what to say. Okay, so first of all let's just say this you know, last week we uh, we kind of got, we were the supernatural sleuth was on here and it's badass awesome and we were, you know, did all the talking and everything and and he is, uh, quite the badass. But I want to, I want to bring it up with you because I like your take on this, um, because you've been doing this for a long time. You know with with me. You know 88 or something episodes here now. So, um, probably not really, but whatever.
Speaker 1:And you know, you, you were, you were in the ministry, youth ministry, when you were younger. Uh, you are a devout, uh, churchgoer. You, you do all the good stuff, uh, you talk to jc above, do all the good stuff there. And I just need to know, like we haven't really dug into this at all in our any of our conversations on scolarius, like the thoughts of our ghosts are old, all ghosts with the exception of, with the exception of, like residual energy, in your opinion, are all those demons?
Speaker 2:I don't think so. Okay, but that. But that that's an, I mean it's a We've had. So Our guest last week that was his stance was basically all ghosts are demonic, yeah, but we have had other guests who specifically said not all ghosts are demonic, right, and so it was a difference of opinion that some people feel, you know, every ghost has a evil intention or whatever you want to call it. But some people have just said that they're.
Speaker 2:Well, we had, um, that uh medium who helped people get to the other side, and so she said that you know, some people would not even realize that they're gone and would help them move over. So it's, I mean it's, it's going to be a topic of debate. It's hard to define or to prove one way or the other, right, but yeah, I mean it's been. I mean, religion has kind of come up and some people have hinted at their beliefs one way or the other, but it almost kind of seems I think this was kind of the first time that someone mentioned biblical references and stuff like that but and talked about them both so closely together. Usually it seems like it's been kind of one or the other like they're, they're separate.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, um, you know I, I've been starting to get a lot closer with, uh, with JC upstairs and everything and uh, you know, going through things and reading scripture and stuff like that, and I mean I I'm not, you know, I'm not a scholar, I can't go through every. You know I I do read quite a bit of scripture, so I can't remember exactly which one, but I mean there, there is a verse in there. Basically it says you know, the dead do not speak. So I mean there's that, I mean that's in the bible there, you know. So, um, so that that's goes against. You know the whole like well, they're here and you know whatever.
Speaker 1:No, they're here, they're gone, you know whatever you know, I, I, uh, I agree with him in some things and you know, and uh, he's a good guy and I appreciated talking to him and uh, it was, it was a lot of fun actually, uh, and plus, he was a cop man, so can't can't disagree with cops. You get tickets.
Speaker 2:That's what happens well, and he he kind of alluded to. You see what you want and you can make anything seem like it supports your Thinking. So, in other words, you see a shadow pass by, you can believe it's a ghost because you want to believe it's a ghost. But it could just be a car that drove by and its headlights went by the window or something like that. And and part of why I brought that up is we kind of we brushed on bigfoot and if you look at some of the evidence people have for bigfoot, it's kind of the same way. It's like look at this uh, uh footprint in the ground. It's not the shape of any known animal. It must be from bigfoot. Well, you didn't see whatever put that in the ground. Who's to say it wasn't someone with a little shovel.
Speaker 2:that said, wouldn't be cool if I made a imprint that looked like bigfoot and had someone believe it's infoot?
Speaker 1:With the exception of the Patterson Gimli film, which shows Chewbacca walking through the stream. There. You know, but then again, exactly, I just made the joke Chewbacca because Chewbacca was a man in a suit. So you know, you don't know.
Speaker 2:And also and that's the other thing he pointed out that you don't know. And also he and that's the other thing he pointed out that, like we don't have high def video of this, it seems like every picture or video is grainy and and from the 1980s.
Speaker 1:That's a bigfoot. I mean, that's a. That's a mitch heberg joke, by the way, yeah I think bigfoot is blurry.
Speaker 2:I think my foot is blurry yeah, so that's stuff.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I don't know, man, I just wanted to uh kind of get because, like I said, you, you know, I never really ask you. You know, we do this paranormal show like what's it do on your beliefs, or you do you hold, you hold up a wall and you're like you know, whatever you, because we discussed it with him too, like where he was with his relationship with god and then still doing the paranormal right and he's like, uh, you know he struggled with it or you know and whatnot, and I guess with you, like, where you obviously keep it very separated. So that wall must be pretty well, I think it's.
Speaker 2:It's no different than just the paranormal subject matter in general, where someone can say I saw a ghost and this is my proof, and blah, blah, blah. And I can hear it and think, well, I don't know for sure if that's what happened. You know, and you know looking at their evidence, or hearing their evidence, and not agreeing with it. In the same way, someone can say I believe that you know, all ghosts are such and such, or I believe that all spirits are this or whatever. I can hear it and go OK, I hear what you're saying, but I don't agree with you or I don't think it happened, because of whatever reason. So I mean, it's the same thing as you saw a ghost, you saw a Bigfoot, you saw whatever.
Speaker 1:Mothman. We're going to do a show on Mothman one of these days. It'll be a date like a week. We don't have a guest, and it'll be me and you and we'll talk about Mothman and probably the movie too. Mothman Prophecies. Whatever, we always make something fun. It's good. That's what we do. I do want to let you know that I have not received any hate mail this week.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay.
Speaker 1:Okay, still trying, but no, nothing this week. Nothing this week. But if they wanted to send hate mail, they need to know where to find us, so I figured I would let them know. You can find DW at DW Serene Comedian on Facebook. You can find me at John Olson Comedian 2.0 on Facebook. You can find us both together on Facebook.
Speaker 3:We're not a couple.
Speaker 1:No, we're not a couple. We're on the Scolarius page. There we also have a TikTok. It's called Scolarius8. And an Instagram Guess what it's called Scolarius Scolarius. Yep, that's very cool, very good. If you wanted to email me something nice, please, it would be great. You to email me something nice, please, it would be great. You can email me at ndw, technically, at scolariaspod, at gmailcom or, if you want to, and only if you want to you can go back and listen to every single episode that we have at scolariaspotbuzzsproutcom. While they're doing that, dw, I'm assuming they're sitting there thinking, man, I need some cool like swag for the summer, you think?
Speaker 1:Maybe, yeah, and they want cool swag for the summer. I just want to let you know that. You know, I me one half of the cogos, the better half, um, I am deciding, or at least putting up on, crowd made, some summer swag gear, you know oh, okay tank tops, some sunglasses, you know whatever. If you want scolarius sunglasses, you get those at crowdmadecom. Forward slash collections, forward slash scolarius pod, or you could just dw tell them or you can just go to crowd made and search for scolarius and then that's going to bring us to all the fun stuff.
Speaker 1:You know the t-shirts. Your favorite t-shirt oh, cripers. That's on there.
Speaker 2:No no no, my favorite is I have no idea who John Olson is. That's my favorite. I don't say Cripers, but if you want a shirt that says Cripers, you can have a shirt that has a I don't say Kripers. But if you want a shirt that says Kripers, you can have a shirt that has a phrase I don't use.
Speaker 1:Yeah, pretty much you could, or you can get the. I have no idea who John Olsen is. That one's obviously pretty popular. You know we have ghosters. That's ghosters. Yeah, we don't have coasters. We don't sell coasters at our swag shop. We also have a pet bowl. We have leashes and collars for your pets. You know, it could be for a dog, could be for a cat, could be a ferret what?
Speaker 2:No, don't say it, don't say what.
Speaker 1:It could also be for your significant other Son of a biscuit. Anyway, if you want to get freaky and have Sclerius gear while you're doing it.
Speaker 2:Here's the thing Go ahead. If you want to do that, go ahead're doing it. Here's the thing. Okay, go ahead. Alright, if you want to do that, go ahead and buy it. If you do, please don't tell us. I don't think we'll ever be able to look at that stuff the same way again. I cannot like I'll have nightmares of someone with a Scalarius leash wearing the old Kriper shirt, and then the person says I have no idea who John Olsen is if they were wearing the hellhounds collar, whatever.
Speaker 1:Anyway, go to crowdmadecom forward, slash collections forward. Slash Scolarius pod. Or just go to crowdmadecom forward, slash collections forward, slash SclariusPod. Or just go to Crowdmade and search up Sclarius. Do all that. Dw, we have a guest this week. Do you know that?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and this guest is a fellow podcaster and, I got to be honest, pretty dang funny. He has been doing this for quite a while. He is the host of static radio, the static radio podcast, where you can find you can get that basically anywhere, and, um, he's located in, uh well, st louis, missouri, but don't hold that against me, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome, Bob LeMant. Bob.
Speaker 3:Hey, how's everybody doing tonight?
Speaker 1:We're doing good.
Speaker 3:I wanted to tell you I'm here to assuage all of your doubts about everything you just were talking about. Yes, there's a Bigfoot. Yes, there's a Mothman. No, all ghosts aren't demons and even all ghosts aren't ghosts, oh, okay.
Speaker 1:That's an interesting thing. There you go.
Speaker 3:Thank you very much, everyone. Good night, I will see you on the next show.
Speaker 1:Wow, that was quick.
Speaker 2:Hang on, though. I want you to elaborate.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you need to elaborate which one.
Speaker 2:All ghosts are not ghosts. Explain that one.
Speaker 3:Well, I mean, I think it's a nice simple phrase All ghosts are not ghosts. I mean, some of them are something else.
Speaker 2:So what are they then, if they're not a goat?
Speaker 3:We don't know.
Speaker 3:I mean we don't know exactly what everything is. That's the great thing about the world, is you know? Everybody wants to categorize. We're all a bunch of catalogers. We think we are and we're not very good at it. Let's be honest, even the best catalogers don't know everything, and so we just start throwing them into categories when we can't think of what they are, and so we're like, oh, that's a ghost. And like, well, hey, hold on a second, maybe it's not a ghost. We don't. We don't know what it is. You can't even define what a ghost is, so how are you throwing so many things in the ghost category? Okay?
Speaker 2:you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 3:yeah, I mean the bigfoot thing's a little easier. It's a hairy bipedal thing out in the woods typically.
Speaker 3:It usually isn't in the city um that you know pretty good categorization on that one right, um, mothman, flying entity, although mothman's a little more vague because there's lots of flying entities that aren't mothman. So but people like to throw it in, you know, and actually people don't lump the mothman category too heavily like they do the ghost category. So then the ghost is a catch-all. Right, there's, oh, it's just a ghost, I saw her a ghost well, okay.
Speaker 1:So you brought a mothman and you said you know, mothman, there's plenty of entities, but mothman is in west.
Speaker 3:I mean, it's west virginia, that's in chicago, in chicago recently what in the greatest look it up in chicago within the last five years, Mothman.
Speaker 1:Oh, wow, yeah, I was talking about the most famous incident, the one where he got the name Mothman correct. Yeah, so you know I'm thinking what it's the Appalachian Mountains. I mean, everything happens there.
Speaker 3:I've been to where the Mothman existed or exists, we don't know for sure. I've been to the TNT area where he lived, where he came from, where he was spawned Perhaps, we don't know.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And it's a pretty cool area, by the way, if you get a chance to go. I mean, there's not a whole lot going on there, but the Mothman stuff's there so you can go check it out. It's an old world war ii munitions uh depot that's defunct and now nature it's become a nature preserve. But a lot of the, the uh, the bunkers that held ammunition that was made for World War II are still there and a lot of toxic chemicals apparently are still there, as well as some of the old buildings and so forth.
Speaker 3:But no, the Mothman is one of those things that was fairly well documented and so kind of like Bigfoot in a way. It's, you know, got some provenance with people other than you know, got some provenance with people other than you know, jokesters and hoaxsters and goofy people. I mean there's law enforcement and journalists and all kinds of people involved in both of those things. Right, ghost is a little harder to pen down. Ghost is very broad, right, and so you know, and there's so everybody wants to the chances of you seeing mothman or bigfoot. You have to be in a certain area, typically, right. Yeah, ghost, you could be anywhere, they say and so it's.
Speaker 3:It's probably one of the most you know, hoaxed situations, and so we have. There's so much clutter in the ghostosphere out there that it's really hard to tell, right. So all you have to go on is people's personal experiences. For the most part. We do have some pictures here and there, and you know, uh, and now, at this point in time, to be honest with you, we are at a stage in history where you cannot believe anything because, it's too easily faked yes not only faked, but faked really well and yeah, so you can't the belief.
Speaker 3:you know. Show me a picture, show me a a video, show me whatever out the window Doesn't matter, immaterial.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's great. Own two eyes, Otherwise nah.
Speaker 3:Right, yeah, or some kind of specimen, right, Something like that. So, yeah, I mean, that's where we're at now and so, unfortunately, the ghost thing is really you know out there now and so, unfortunately, the ghost thing is is really you know out there and I am of the. So I'll get a little deeper in the ghost thing for you, because I I can. I can tell by looking at john he is just chomping at the bit for me to go into this area for a little more and he's he's drinking this strawberry ice water. It's just driving. He's got a thirst for it here.
Speaker 3:So I am of the thought on the ghost subject that we don't know exactly what they are and so I don't necessarily think they're dead people. I don't think they're. You know all the traditional, any traditional thing you think of demon, dead person, angel, devil, whatever you want to put upon it. I don't think that ghosts are that. As far as we know, ghosts are aliens. They could be. We don't understand aliens and people see aliens, so couldn't ghosts also be aliens and just don't have to have a ship? Maybe they're interdimensional beings?
Speaker 1:You know I was sitting there thinking I was like man. You know there's a possibility he could go deep and if he goes deep, the multiverse, like multidimensional, could be Maybe. Maybe People living congruent lives like at the same exact time, and sometimes they might slip, or whatever maybe they're energy beans and just not a lot of them.
Speaker 3:I mean, if you, you know here's one of the things, I don't know if I'm going to get you guys with this a little bit I always tell people, if you know, you talk about bigfoot and people make fun of you and what have you talk about? Ghosts? People make fun of you and what have you you talk about ghosts. People make fun of you. And I always tell people do you believe in God? And, like you guys were saying, you believe in God, you believe in Jesus Christ? Right, then you have to believe in Bigfoot, you have to believe in ghosts, you have to believe in aliens, because the same logic applies If you can believe in God and you can believe in Jesus, then it's the same. It's the same as believing in any of those other things.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry. On a logical standpoint that's absolutely true, because if one exists, they all exist. Logically Right, you know, with God and stuff like that, it's more faith-based Right. It's more faith-based right. But we don't have to. We don't have to sit there and and hope and pray that bigfoot's alive or bigfoot is real right.
Speaker 3:but for faith-based you're, you're attached to christ and and things are happening so well, and again, it's your own experience, right, and all these things become your own experience, and so, therefore, it's it's the same, and some people get I'm glad you guys didn't get mad at me for that but some people get really mad about that because they don't equate those two things as anything similar. I'm not looking at Bigfoot as a deity or a ghost as a deity. I'm looking at that as something that you cannot tangibly see, you cannot tangibly feel. You know you may witness something that a person right next to you may not witness, right, you may have a feeling that another person doesn't have, and you're literally in the same space, and all these things have that same criteria. Right, that happens, and so that's why I'm saying that you have to. So to me, I don't understand all. If there's so many people who believe, are Christians and of different faiths and so forth, that believe in God, then why are they shushing and shunning all the rest of this stuff? Because they don't think it's well, it's not real. Because they don't think it's well, it's not real, you know well, if you haven't had an experience, then any of that's not real for you. So that's an interesting thing.
Speaker 3:Now to get back to the ghost thing. So if you talk about ghosts, like I said, it could all be the same stuff. You know, bigfoot could be a ghost for all we know, because there's no tangible proof yet. So all these things kind of exist in this amalgam of being glimpsed and so forth, but not being quite tangible enough to be cataloged like they catalog other animals and so forth, and so same thing could be. It could be an energy being, it could be an alien from someplace else, who?
Speaker 3:That's what they are. It could be, like I said, interdimensional. It could just be that. That's what they are. That's just what they are. They're not any different than you and I. It's just their form is somewhat translucent or transparent, and you don't see them most of the time because you know they just, you know, inhabit things, or maybe there's just not that many of them, and so we don't know. But until we get a little further down the path I mean, everybody likes to apply these categories to them, like demon and what have you. Until it does something bad to you or in a demon-like way, then I don't know that you can call it a demon, and so I think that's a little bit of a stretch to me Now I'm going to go into a story here. If you guys had any experience with anything like this, like personally, can I ask?
Speaker 2:Do you mean demon-like or just ghost?
Speaker 3:Anything that's unknown.
Speaker 2:I mean, I have one experience. Well and that's part of why I play the part of the skeptic is, I've had one experience that I don't call it a ghost story, but it is. It was a weird story that I can't really explain. John, on the other hand, he's the one who lived in a haunted house, so he's got all kinds of stories so you've heard, you've heard stuff, you've seen stuff, john yeah, heard and seen, not just one haunted house, three okay
Speaker 3:yeah, so can I ask what you saw?
Speaker 1:uh, well, there was like when I was younger. Yeah, it's always like a lady in white. It's kind of weird lady in white okay, not always, but you know what I mean like there's two, there's some type of apparition that is kind of transparent yeah, and then there was like an old man at one point, but yeah okay, cool, I mean.
Speaker 3:And you, this is something where you you're by yourself, I'm guessing, or? Yeah okay, no, I'm just wondering like, if you had a younger
Speaker 3:brother or something they're like. Yeah, you know, me and bubba, we saw this while we were trying to sleep in the tent. You know something like that. Um, just curious. So I mean, that affected you, right? So you, you saw this, you believe it. This is something that you're like it happened. I have no way of explaining it, I have no way to prove it right, but you know that this experience happened to you. Yeah, this is what a lot of people find themselves, uh, in, but now, did any of those things try to hurt you?
Speaker 1:not that I know of yeah, I mean nothing.
Speaker 3:No, you know immediate reaction like you see them, they grab you, they scratch you, they poke you, they, something bad happens. Immediately you fall down the stairs or something only in nightmares only everybody has nightmares with them, specific entities. Yeah, so I mean they were in your nightmares okay At times that's pretty good. Yeah, but that's a little bit less direct than what I'm thinking about here.
Speaker 1:Right, I get you.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but I mean because, obviously, when you have an experience like that, especially if it's a negative experience to you even though maybe the ghost didn't want it to be a negative experience but because it just revealed itself at a inopportune time for you and you're like holy moly, I'm trying to take a crap and here's a ghost. You know that's going to scare you, that's going to mess you up, so you're going to have nightmares about that it's no different.
Speaker 1:I don't know if you're taking a crap, I should let you know there's no difference in trying to take a crap in like a bar in a stall with no door in it that's a scarier experience.
Speaker 3:Hopefully they're not apparitions at that point, but you never know, it's scary, to be honest. So personally, I try to stay out of those situations myself it's been a while. I run down to McDonald's or something. I'm not going to use the bar bathroom, come on. So, but anyway, I had an experience with what most people would call a shadow person.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 3:And, um, it was a weird thing and, to be honest with you, I did not, um, I didn't want to believe it when it happened, and the only reason that I do believe it is because it didn't just happen to me. It happened to my son as well, on the exact same evening and the exact same time period, and so long story. But we were in a rental house. I wake up in the middle of the night, I look over towards the window and there was a person standing there, a shadow of a person. Now, I was really tired because of some circumstance. I wasn't drunk or anything, I was just tired and I thought it was a neighbor who was standing looking in the window and being a creep.
Speaker 3:And because it seemed to be in the window, right, and it was a shadow. And I thought, oh my God, this weird neighbor is, you know, it's three o'clock in the morning. He's out in the yard looking in the window. It had blinds but it didn't have curtains, so it wasn't like light blocking so you'd see what was outside shadowy, but you wouldn't see like a face or anything. So I went back to sleep. I was really tired, I was wiped out.
Speaker 3:In the morning my son comes up to me and he's a teenager at the time and he goes Dad, a shadow came through my door and tried to grab my leg. What? And I go, exactly that's what I said. So he says this in the morning after this happens to me, which I brushed off as some creepy neighbor, and I'm like what time was this, right? So he tells me it's he, he was a teenager, he stays up playing video games and whatnot, right Middle of the night, right.
Speaker 3:And I'm like, oh, okay, well, we were in a situation where we were renting, uh, for a year because our house had burnt down and this was this, was it? This was our only place to live at the moment, because there was no house to go back to. So, um, I played it off because I did not want my kid to feel like we were living in a place that was unwelcoming, and I said I'm sure you're just tired. It was the middle of the night. I'm being I'm basically being a jerk at this point. Um, you know, but tell me if anything happens again, right.
Speaker 3:So, um, now, I didn't tell my wife all about this. My son told my wife and, and and she's like oh, she was with me, oh, I'm sure you're just tired. And so then go a couple nights. He sees it again. It's walking through the living room in the kitchen and walks out through a door, out into the garage, like a full shadow of a person walking around the house, but not like a shadow like starts from your feet, like your shadow. I'm talking an independent shadow shadow.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like, wow yeah and so then he tells me about again we we've, we, you know, we kind of are stuck here and I'm like, I'm sure buddy it's, you know, we've had a tough time right, we're you know. So you know, just keep me posted, I'm sure everything's fine. So so we end up getting this dog which, because we lost all of our pets in this fire, we get this dog. And yeah, I know I'm trying not to give you the too gruesome details here yeah.
Speaker 3:And we have a basement but it's not finished and essentially it's empty. So we go downstairs to play with the dog, throw a tennis ball around, because that's what he likes, right, a puppy. And if you throw the ball into one corner, dog will not go get the ball. You throw the ball in any other place in this basement he will go get the ball. All right, okay. So then time goes on a little bit. We start hearing noises in the basement. There's absolutely nothing in the basement. It is because we had nothing. Basically we had to buy furniture when we moved in and you know we didn't get much because of the whole situation and yeah. So then we keep hearing noises in the basement and then, of course, the dog won't go in that corner, you know.
Speaker 3:And we basically lived with this thing for a year. This happened shortly within a week after moving into this place. This happened and we had to live there for almost a year. My son didn't see it again, I didn't see it again, I didn't see it again, but we kept noticing like, I'm sure, john, if you live in a haunted house noticing weird noises, especially in the evening, you know, coming from the basement which had the hot water heater and a furnace which had the hot water heater and a furnace, and they weren't you know furnace or hot water heater noises, so it was like banging and just weird thumping and stuff like that.
Speaker 3:So but yeah, but after a while we lived with this thing I'm assuming the rest of the time, because it did never show itself again. And so I kind of just come up with this theory from this experience that when it, when we got there, it was curious and it wanted to see who was who and what was what, and went around and basically saw everybody, because that was everybody right, and my son happened to be awake and you know, if you, if you're walking in the woods and you see, you know if you're an animal person and you see something like a rabbit or whatever, you might try to go over and touch the rabbit. Who knows.
Speaker 1:I know my queen consort would. She'd be like oh hello, see, there you go.
Speaker 3:So all that behavior was like that. Well then, whenever you know he reacted and so forth. I think it kind of freaked it out and then it kind of avoided us and kind of stayed away. But yeah, so I mean, it was a very real, very weird experience that I have corroborated with my son, who we didn't talk about this. I didn't come out that next day and go hey, guess what? I saw this guy's shadow. I didn't even talk about the creepiness that I thought it was, which was a creepy neighbor, because I didn't want to freak my wife out, because we didn't really know these people that well, we just got there and you know, because that's just as bad as having, or maybe worse than having, a shadow thing in the house is to have a creepy neighbor staring in your window, yeah, um so, yeah, so all this happened and it was, um, but, like I said, it wasn't malicious.
Speaker 3:Things didn't happen other than weird noises, and no one was harmed, other than we were kind of scared for a while and then, after a while, you just kind of, you know, for me I didn't, I did not. So my son and I the only ones that had experience, and I didn't talk to my wife about it until well after we moved out of the house.
Speaker 3:Oh I didn't want to, I didn't want to get her involved in this, to be freaked out as well, and so, um, and then I didn't let my son know that I was aware of it. I just played it off because I wanted to try to keep him, you know, somewhat less worried about things. Um, because, again, you know, we're in a situation where there's not a lot of options, right, so you don't.
Speaker 3:It's not like we could say, okay, we're out of here. I mean, literally, the insurance company is paying for this house, for us to be in because our house is gone and I can't go to the insurance company and go hey, this shadow person tried to grab my son. God damn it. You know it's not gonna, that's not gonna fly. I mean there's no real reason for us to move um, or logical reason, I'll put it that way. You know regular people reason to move, so but I mean that I have thought about these things you know ghosts and all this kind of stuff my whole life and and read about things as you know a kid and so forth. But the um, but this was probably um.
Speaker 3:This is one of my most real encounters with something that is unknown, and the way that everything kind of played out as I look back on it just demonstrated to me it's almost like you know an animal.
Speaker 3:It's just like it's as afraid of you as you are of it, and it then I mean maybe it was in the same situation and they're like well, I'm, you know, from the shadow world and this is where we live and we have no place to go. So who knows what the situation was on the other side, but we coexisted for almost a year and uh, and and with no you know downside, other than kind of being freaked out for a while and having this experience, and I think that that's a lot of these kind of things. I think that a lot of this stuff is probably like that, and it's probably these entities that are just different, that are trying to live their lives whatever they are, that are trying to live their lives whatever they are, and we just happen to be in the same space for short periods of time. For all we know, our night is their day. I mean, we have no idea how other things in?
Speaker 3:the world operate right. We like to think that we do. We like everybody likes to think that we have all the answers to everything. But we don't. I mean we don't even have all the answers to things on this planet. I mean, do you literally, do you know that there's like thousands upon thousands of new species found every year?
Speaker 3:And that's stuff that makes sense, like little furry things and little insects and stuff like that. So can you imagine the variance in something that we don't understand, that doesn't necessarily breathe oxygen, perhaps that doesn't need to have food or water? I mean, it could be endless. But we ignore that. We are like, oh well, everything needs to have got to have food, you got to have water. You know everything has a cycle. They're either nocturnal or they come out during the day. You know, we think we got it all figured out, but the reality is we don't. And I think that, just like we have thousands of species in this world, there's probably thousands of species in these other areas that we don't have any clue about and we just happen to encounter things Like maybe the lady in white is a particular type of entity and that's why people see so many of them.
Speaker 3:Right, yeah, you know a particular type of entity and that's why people see so many of them Right, yeah, you know, and so to me that's and like I said it could be, like I said it could be alien, it could be anything. So that's where I'm, I'm coming from on all this and that's. Uh, now I obviously just like we were talking. There's no way for me to prove this, because I didn't take pictures or video or not, that any of that would be convincing at this point because of the nature of technology. But it's just, you know, one of those things that that happens and you just have to trust in the person that is telling you the story and say are they really telling me that story? Is it true that it happened? Like john has his thing and you said you had your thing, yeah, and that's really all we have to go on now.
Speaker 3:I think, as we progress with technology, oddly enough, the technology that's spoiling everything right now may become the technology that discovers things in the future, because, you know, maybe it'll, it'll, you know, open up these areas that we don't know about yet. And so I think, unfortunately for me, a lot of people like to apply information that we have here to anything that happens, because that's just a natural way to think about it, right? So they're like oh, demon, right, oh, angel, oh, and so you're applying that. But the reality is we don't know. If you go back into medieval times and prior, they call them demons because that was something that they knew about and they're like OK, and they applied the label to it and so now we're just picking that back up and taking it forward as opposed to maybe they were wrong. I mean, they said they had dragons and we don't have any dragon bones, I mean not of any substantial size. Does that mean there wasn't dragons? Not necessarily, but you know it's again, you know it could be a misrepresentation of something else that was that big, maybe it was leftover dinosaur, for all we know, and we do have proof of those.
Speaker 3:So that's the thing about all of this cryptozoology and and paranormal stuff is that we really don't. We're just at the beginning, I think, the beginnings of trying to figure this stuff out and we don't really have enough solid information, scientific information, to know what's going on, because for us it seems so random right, it happens to John, it happens to me, but it doesn't happen consistently. But again, everybody's got a phone and I would say until well, let's say, within the last 15 years, you would have never saw a car crash unless you were involved in it. Right Right Now that the proliferation of cell phones, you can go look up a bunch of car crashes on the Internet and watch them all day long if you want to bunch of car crashes on the internet and watch them all day long if you want to.
Speaker 3:But that's only because they've literally thrown millions of recording devices into people's hands and so that it changes the odds right. So we've changed the odds of catching a car crash from almost zero to being, you know, in the favor of actually catching it, even though still, how many car crashes have you caught on video?
Speaker 1:None Right.
Speaker 3:None, most people haven't. Every once in a while you get one Part of the reason for that is that's a weird reason, but use of dash cams over in Russia and other parts of Europe. They almost require them to get cheaper insurance or something, and so we get more dash cam footage now. But anyway, but that was the flip, right. So eventually they're going to come up with a way to figure out when this is going to happen, right, so that it can be predictable, and they'll figure out a way to capture it once it happens and measure it Right. So again, we get into. If you guys are involved in any kind of, you know, scientific endeavors, you always have to prove things. It could be, you know, could be any different. Uh, waves, because there's, you know, you have wi-fi, both of you have wi-fi in your house, do you see it all day long?
Speaker 1:like visually, no yeah no yeah, do you?
Speaker 3:hear it, do you taste it? Do you smell it? I don't know, but you use it right so I'm assuming, wi-fi tastes amazing but it could be, I wish it, I wish I could. You know, I'm going to be selling a whole uh flavor cartridges that you just plug into your usb on your wi-fi and it flavors your wi-fi for you. So it's one of my big ideas uh, wintergreen you want.
Speaker 3:Wintergreen, you want some strawberry Wi-Fi, but you see, we're limited by our capacities, right, but there are technologies that are available for us that convert those things into something that we can then measure, right Gamma rays, x-rays, you know on and on. We have all these instruments and eventually we're going to hit upon the instrument that will. You know, not an app on your phone that says ghost detector, that doesn't do anything.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 3:You know I get so aggravated about these people. They love to use the spirit box. I don't know where you guys fall on the spirit box spectrum.
Speaker 1:I would be the only one that fell on the spectrum, because DW is not on the spectrum You're making it sound really bad.
Speaker 3:So where did this idea come from that these ghosts or spirits can manipulate uh, fm or am frequencies? Who the hell made that up?
Speaker 1:I don't know. I have a question on that, though, because you are obviously radio static radio yeah, static radio yeah um, but where do you? Where do you fall on that? Like, how do you? Okay? So if you were using a spirit box, right, and it's going through the all the way through, okay, a hundred and some stations per second, essentially, how do you explain a full sentence throughout that?
Speaker 3:If, if it's like happenstance, with they go, john quit, looking at the lady in white. That's a full sentence. You know what I mean. It's not you're going to die. That's not a full sentence. That's vague references. Or I'm the devil. You know how many things say I'm the devil on the radio. For christ's sake, they play it every 10 minutes for christ, because everybody buys into it. Right? It's a way to get people to listen. Plus, what happens to the poor spirits who are out in the middle of South Dakota, in the middle of nowhere, that have no radio stations around?
Speaker 1:How do they communicate? Wyoming too, yeah.
Speaker 3:Wyoming. Any of the ones out west don't have any kind of. You can drive for hours without finding a radio. That's why satellite radio exists because of the fact that there's so much dead space in the spectrum, because they can't have stations close enough together out there. So to me it's just like I don't want to poop on everybody's parade anything.
Speaker 3:But the other thing about me is energy. Everybody talks about energy, this energy, that energy. There are ways to measure energy. What kind of energy? Is it gamma radiation? Is it X-ray radiation? Is it just radiation from uranium?
Speaker 3:Energy is a generic word that describes multiple things. It's like a box of tissues. You know how many different brands of tissues there are A gazillion. So what tissue are we talking about here? And there's a way to measure that. And so they need to get down to brass tacks and say I am measuring the RF signal, which they do sometimes. Right, so I'm buying into the RF signal. Right, I'm doing a magnetometer. So the Earth's magnetic field is changing. Why is it changing? If it can change on a regular basis in one spot, then there's something going on.
Speaker 3:But just saying energy or using the spirit box or any of that stuff to me is you're not. It's for lack of a better term, it's half-assed science, right? You're tapping into a phenomenon that happens, that it's just like pareidolia. You can randomly pull in something that can seem that real for you guys, right? So it's?
Speaker 3:Oh, they said John, that's me, I'm John. How many fricking people in the world are named John? A bazillion, you know. Not so many new ones, but the older ones there are. Yeah. So you know what I'm saying. So you have to get away from this randomness and get into very specific things. For me to be on board, you know what I mean. So taking measurements that are precise, or at least somewhat precise. Now, the other problem with all this is that you can take those measurements and if these things have free will like we have they they can just walk away and it won't happen again. So what you have to do is you have to set up in a spot that has things take it happen regularly, and then you just have to keep measuring. I mean, you can't run in over a weekend and say, oh yeah, we got ghosts here because one thing went beep once.
Speaker 3:That's, that's not that's not measuring you know, they know the rf meter went all the way to the red, and so that's ghosts when people I.
Speaker 1:I love this you have now the now.
Speaker 3:The terrible thing is both you guys. I totally believe in this stuff because because I had an experience that I cannot explain and I've had more than one over time, but they were very late in life. I didn't have these when I was younger, right, I had these, like recently. And so the other thing is, people will go to and again, it's not very scientific, so we need to pin it down is maybe you're more sensitive, right, and maybe you are, but we need to know what that sensitivity is and we need to be able to measure that, to know that it's real, other than I just say I'm more sensitive, I'm a psychic, I'm a this, I'm a that, right, anybody can say they're anything and you know, maybe they get some stuff right.
Speaker 3:I have a friend who believes in psychics. I'm very skeptical of psychics, okay, but I thoroughly believe that he believes and I thoroughly believe that he had an experience. But I think there's the. I think the vast majority, over 50% of people who say they're psychic are not psychic. They are lucky guessers or they are leading questions. John, I see you have a person. I think it's a woman. This woman's name starts with M. Do you have anybody whose name? Who's a woman who starts with M in your life?
Speaker 1:That's freaking funny.
Speaker 2:Yeah, cause he does. Who is it? Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Now you're buying it I have. I didn't even meet you till tonight. I have no knowledge of your background. M a lady named M is a very common letter for a woman's name, right, and so I've just been a psychic. I'm not a psychic.
Speaker 1:That's fucking, oh my God, but this is what people do right.
Speaker 3:Yes, this is the game, this is the show, and so you. But you, what you have to do is you have to say no, it's a man. I mean, the transgender movement is going to kill psychics because they used to have two choices and now they've got 100. So they're going to have to figure out you know where everybody's at on the spectrum nowadays, but you know it has to be man or woman. And then you just come up with some S. They have to start with that, and because you just pick a common letter, you don't go X. You know, yeah, I got an aunt named Xenon. Nobody has an aunt named Xenon, or else you know. Then it's a little bit closer to home, but they would say the whole name.
Speaker 3:If they were psychic, they would know the history, it wouldn't be vague, it would be more concrete. And so we can't. Unfortunately, this field that we're talking about is full of people taking advantage. Guarantee you right now, anytime, anytime they're asking you if you're a real psychic, just tell me what you got to tell me and let's get on with our lives. Because if you're asking me for money, then it's not real, because that becomes the focus, and the focus isn't really on what you can do. It's on how can I make money off of you, right? And so anybody who's who is a real psychic is now, I don't think, is never going to ask you for money. On the front end, maybe they'll do something for you, and on the back end, if you feel like giving me a tip, go right ahead, right. But even those, if there's any money involved, be very, very skeptical, because you know it's all about the money at that point.
Speaker 3:So, is a ghost ever asked for money? I don't know, probably.
Speaker 2:I'm sure there is well, no, I was just gonna say. The reason john is laughing so much is the betrothed that we talked about. His fiancee starts with them so fantastic, I got yeah so he got, yeah, you got it yeah, 100 percent.
Speaker 2:Like, yeah, nailed like well, and the thing is, what so I was going to say about that is the other side is it helps if the person wants to believe it, and usually if you're going to a psychic it's because you believe in a psychic right. You know. You're not going to go to a psychic and say let's see what this crazy person like to drink and go to psychics.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like a form of amusement yeah, but usually if you're going to a psychic, it's because you believe in that stuff and therefore when the psychic says you have someone in your, your life the name starts with a, b that the other person is going to go. There's got to be someone. Hang on, let me think about this. Oh yeah, my aunt's friend from college was Bethany or whatever you know. You're going to reach for it because so badly you want to want to believe it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you cause. You, you're grasping for something because you maybe you're confused or something and you want to have, you want to have this experience which it to me. It cannot come through those means, literally it has to be. I'm not expecting anything and it just happens. I was in a situation and it just worked out that way. You know, you, it's almost like an accident. You're just there witnessing something you know transpire in front of you that I think those are real, probably real things, right, right and um, but yeah, anytime money gets involved, that's the worst thing and I always feel bad um for people because they do get taken in by this. And you know, there's certain cultures and folks in certain cultures that kind of are into this a little bit more and they still, you know, do it. And I'm not talking about these are not any kind of backwards kind of thing. These are people who live in the real world and do real world things and yet they still look for validation from you know these type of people and pay money.
Speaker 2:Right yeah so yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 3:I mean it's weird, but and I know we've kind of done some cyclical, we've kind of circled back around a little bit, but you know, but that's why I always try to pick the witness, so because we can't trust our eyes and we can't trust, you know, technology not to mess with things. Now. You always have to look at the person. You're like what are they going to get out of this? I mean, it sounds terrible.
Speaker 3:You're profiling people in a way. You know what's in it for them and if you can get down to the situation where there's nothing in it for them, then maybe you know, probably it's true, but I do believe a lot of times people have these real situations and there's no point trying to, you know, debunk them or anything they were real to that person. You can't go back and create whatever happened before, because it's just not going to happen. Chances are because we haven't hit that point where technology has caught up to see what these things really are. And until that time happens, we're the pundits, right, and until that time happens, you know we're the pundits. We're the pundits of this world talking about these things, waiting for the decisiveness to happen.
Speaker 1:I don't know if I was sufficiently humorous or not no, it's just I, I'm taking all this stuff in, man, you okay. So let's go all. I have to go all the way back. And that you proved a point of mine that I've been making since probably the inception of of scolarius, and that is, your parents gaslight you. So you okay, true you?
Speaker 2:gaslit, you said totally totally cop to it okay.
Speaker 1:So with that theory being being said, is that you, you gaslit. So therefore, like you're saying, there was nothing happening, but there was stuff happening the whole time yeah, now, since then, I have apologized to him and told him it really happened.
Speaker 3:After we, after we, got out of that situation, a while after we got out of that situation, I did sit him down and I said, okay, here's what really, here's what happened. And you were right oh because I wasn't gonna leave it forever and then have him find out on my deathbed.
Speaker 1:Oh, by the way, you can pull that off on your deathbed.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1:That's your one regret.
Speaker 3:I feel really bad about it, but being, you know, kind of a responsible adult and knowing that our options were very, very, very limited at that time, I mean not to get into uh, away from the paranormal and into the real world of insurance and and and uh responsibility. But when you, when your house burns down, nobody gives you a wad of money. You know what I mean. You still have to pay for your house burns down. Nobody gives you a wad of money. You know what I mean. You still have to pay for your house. You pay your mortgage, right, and you aren't living there and you're still paying your mortgage.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And you have insurance, and insurance will help you. But guess what? They don't pay for your deposit on a rental. They don't pay for your electricity on a rental. They don't pay for your gas, right. They don't pay for water. They don't pay for your Wi-Fi. They pay for the rental and then eventually you get money back for the deposit. If you don't get the deposit back at the end, which you're supposed to, that's what they want. So I mean, you lay out a lot of cash really quick whenever you have a house fire that you don't even realize that you're going to be doing, and so it straps you immediately. If you don't have insurance, you're screwed, but if you do, you're screwed for a while, and then eventually you get some money. But it's not that first day, right? You have to front everything and provide receipts.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and so if you have somebody in this situation where it's like I can't live here anymore because this happened to me, what are you going to do? I mean literally, what are you going to do?
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 3:I can't pay for another place.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 3:I'm not a bazillionaire here. I'm not, you know. Oh yeah, we'll just go down the street and I can't convince them at this point. Basically, you are in a love-hate relationship with your insurer because they are scrutinizing the crap out of you and anything you say. They're going to be checking on because they don't want to give you the money.
Speaker 3:The whole idea behind insurance. Everybody knows, oh, I pay my insurance and then they'll help me whenever something bad happens. Guess what? You pay your insurance and when something bad happens, they hate your guts and they don't want to give you any money. Yeah, that's what happens. I mean, yes, everybody sugarcoats it and everybody smiles and and um, you know, you go through the process, but the reality is it is, it's there's not. You know, somebody just going oh, you need another hundred dollars. Sure, here's a hundred dollars all right.
Speaker 1:Well, what scared you more dealing?
Speaker 3:with real world scares me way more than any of the paranormal stuff at this point.
Speaker 1:Well, that's good. I also have to touch on the fact that you probably pissed off 98% of our audience today.
Speaker 3:I'm sorry, I apologize.
Speaker 1:You hit the paranormal investigators with their equipment. I thought that was pretty good.
Speaker 3:I don't think all the equipment's bad. I said the RF stuff and the magnetic field. What do you think?
Speaker 1:Okay, so the EMF. And then, what do you think of the new thing, the REM pods?
Speaker 3:REM pods. I actually have a REM pod. Okay, the new thing with the REM pods? Rem pods, I actually have a REM pod, okay, not, and I think it's very interesting because of the. So basically, it makes a magnetic field around the REM pod, right the antenna, and then if something touches the antenna it makes a beep, right and so. But the thing is, I mean, these things aren't crafted at NASA, for Christ's sake, they're in somebody. If you ever see any of these things, it's homebrew at best, right, and so it's not an overly sensitive instrument.
Speaker 3:So, just like any device that you own your phone or your computer or anything, it has to accept interference, and so, for all we know, it's errant interference on some of these things. So you have to, again, you have to have it be consistent. If it just goes blip or turns red or whatever, it could just be a random, you know, wave of something that hit that, as opposed to actually any kind of ghost or spirit or anything, unless you go, you know, kind of like my example, john. You know, john, are you here with us? John, if you're here with us, grab a hold of that antenna and hold on to it for five minutes, right, it's obeying a command. Right's obvious.
Speaker 3:There's no way in the world that if something goes on there for five minutes and everything is working correctly right, the battery's not dying or any kind of other weird thing is happening, that that would happen randomly. It can't just be a blip, it can't just be you knowip, it can't just be you know. Uh, you know. Well, they answered why. They answered my first question, but then they didn't answer my next five questions and then they answered my seventh question, and then you know what I mean. That's not the way people work, right? People will answer your questions until you piss them off and they walk away, and they don't just keep walking away and coming back after a while. So if it's really a person, then I think. I don't think that when you become a ghost if that's the way it happens, that you all of a sudden, you know become, uh, you know so impolite that you just randomly react to things and and are, like, you know, a dog with squirrels running around.
Speaker 1:No, in theory. If ghosts are real, if ghosts are ghosts and things like that, you got to look at everything from every guest's perspective. On that point. Like your perspective is a ghost could be anything. A ghost could be nothing. And other people are like other people like hey, you know it's, it's a demon. Other people are like no, it's just spiritual and other you know whatever, but we're not quite there yet.
Speaker 3:So I mean I'm I think that's worthwhile trying to get there, but we have to keep doing. We can't just settle, settle on, you know, oh, I can buy all these cool gadgets and then I'm talking to ghosts. I mean we need to. You know, everybody needs to up their game, as it were. We really need to up our game into all of these areas right that we were talking about, and really get something that is more definitive and repeatable. Then, once you have something that seems repeatable, then go to the next place and try to repeat it. Go to the next place and try to repeat it. Right now, a lot of it is entertainment. That's the way I look at it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's not like the Ghostbusters man, the Ghostbusters those, those were like straight up, like coming at you know yeah, exactly, and I feel like paranormal investigators for the most part. Some of them want to feel that kind of activity happen and I'm sorry you're not going to get John Belushi's ghost sucking down hot dogs at the end of a whole day.
Speaker 3:There's some trivia there, right. What's his name? What did they call him? They didn't call him John Belushi, they called him something else oh Slimer, Slimer. Yeah, Slimer was a depiction of John Belushi there you go.
Speaker 2:So then okay. Oh, go ahead, dw. I was gonna, so you're talking about, you know, the, the equipment that you don't trust because we made it. So then, what are your thoughts on? Uh, ouija boards?
Speaker 3:oh my gosh, come on. The great thing is, um, when I was a kid, parker brothers made a ouija board. I don't know if you guys knew that oh yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, and I had access to one and we used to play with it all the time and inevitably one of the older kids was manipulating the Ouija board and usually making fun of somebody at the Ouija board as part of the process.
Speaker 1:It's funny.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean again, there's too many. If the planchette moved on its own, it may have some more worthy aspects to it, but anybody putting their fingers on it is prone to manipulate, and so, yeah, it's not a reliable narrator, as they say.
Speaker 1:Well, neither is most of my family, so I mean.
Speaker 3:But see, that's what happens and so you know it's a fun thing and you know, maybe who knows what the percentage of hit is, if it's right or wrong or what have you. But I just, you know again, it's just not something that I would totally buy into as far as that goes. You know again, it's just not something that, uh, I would totally buy into. Um, as far as that goes you know, it's a fun.
Speaker 3:My thing with uh and I didn't even get into this just to piss people off a little bit more is why does it always happen at night? These things can happen during the day. For christ's sake, there's no reason that it has to happen at night. The only reason it happens at night is because it has more ambiance and it's more scary, and so forth.
Speaker 3:There are daytime sightings of ghosts and so forth, but everybody is always doing okay, we're going to go dark and we're going to go to night vision. It's like why, If it happens, it happens, you just have to be there to catch it. You need to be there all day and all night with stuff running to catch whatever's happening.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because it's not a light switch. It doesn't just start off automatically, like, and then go away.
Speaker 3:Exactly so. I mean that you know, sells it right, because it's more fun if it's at night. It it scares people and and you know there's so many things hiding in the dark and so forth, and and so, yeah, I wish they would just be honest about it and say, you know, it doesn't have to be night for these things to happen. Uh, and then, well, they mostly happen at night. Well, they mostly happen at night because that's when you're watching. Yeah, if you were watching during the day, maybe you'd see something during the day. But you know, that's just me and that's again another one of those tropes. It's like energy and all these other things. It's just a trope that's been built up around this that everybody, they like it because it's fun and they buy into it. It's part of the show.
Speaker 1:That's good Speaking of shows. You have one.
Speaker 3:I do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, static. So tell us I mean, we've been doing a lot on the paranormal and you're're entertaining guy there, bob, I will tell you that. So, um, thanks, john I appreciate it oh it's, it's awesome. Can you just give us a little bit about static radio?
Speaker 3:well, yeah, the funny thing is I, I have talked, I talk about. I told this story about seeing the uh shadow. It took me over two years to tell the story because I could not tell it. I told no one but my family for two years and then I finally told it on the show because it freaked me out so bad. And I've told other stories, weird stories, on the show, but I usually have to wait a while because it really is unnerving.
Speaker 3:But anyway, most of the time we tell funny stories. You know, we're comedies, we're a comedy show for the most part, and so Miles and I we do a weekly show. We tell stories about things that happened to us in our regular lives. You know that happened, that are weird, that are funny, that are wild, and we try to, basically, you know, make people laugh when they're listening. And then we try to make each other laugh as part of this as well. And then also we try to poke holes in each other's story Because I mean, what more fun is there than teasing someone mercilessly while they're trying to tell you something seriously? So we do a lot of that. But we've been doing weekly shows since 1999. And you can listen to them all at staticradiocom or you can find us on any of the socials. Typically it's at Static Radio. There may be a couple of variants because there's so many social media things now, but most of it's almost the biggies are at Static Radio.
Speaker 1:So 1999,. What platform did you start on?
Speaker 3:There was no platform.
Speaker 1:I know that's the reason.
Speaker 3:The reason it's called Static Radio is because Miles and I went to college together. We got out of college, we used to do a show which was very similar to the show we do now, and we were like I don't want to be an adult and go to a work and have a job all the time. I still want to do fun stuff. And so I said, hey, I got an idea. There's this stuff called Internet Radio at the time. Why don't you and I do an Internet Radio show? And he said sure, I don't know how to do anything, you do it, you figure it out and I'll do it. And I said sure, so that's why it's called Static Radio is because we were under the moniker of Internet Radio at the time, in 99. And then, in 2004, is when podcasting came onto the scene and MP3s were more widely available. We were actually doing shows before there was MP3s believe it or not?
Speaker 3:Wow, and and so then, yeah, it took off from there as far as podcasting goes. So, and then, yeah, we, you know it, it has proliferated, uh into all these different areas and so forth, but I never did change. I got the url, uh for static radio and, um, there's no use changing it at this point. It's been so freaking long. I've had it for so long. There's no point in it.
Speaker 1:So we just keep it the same so do you guys have guests on our show?
Speaker 3:sorry I had to sneeze there. I hope you didn't hear that. Um, the uh, every once in a while. Most of the time it's just he and I telling stories. Um, we have had guests over the years. Um, it just depends. We don't um, we don't depend on guests, and really the guesting thing um is a more. I mean there's always been guests, don't get me wrong all the way back. But as far as being more guest focused on shows, that hasn't really happened until covid and so, um, so yeah, we I mean we have people randomly, just whenever one of us, you know, say, oh hey, I got somebody who wants to come on, and and then we do that, but otherwise it's mostly just he and I. So yeah, it's just. And you know, I would have never thought it would go on this long. I thought maybe we'd do it for a few months and then we would have been like I'm tired of talking to you, but uh, it hasn't, so it's been a lot of you is with me so it didn't take months, it was just pretty quick.
Speaker 3:So but yeah, so that's, but that's what happens. So, um, but uh, yeah, I mean it's been fun, I mean we haven't, you know, hurt each other yet physically, only mentally.
Speaker 1:Any favorite moments from your 25 years.
Speaker 3:That's a good question, I would say. You know, the weird thing is and this is going to sound totally incongruous to what I just said but my kids grew up during this time and so I have a lot of stories about my kids and the funny things that they did, and so I think those are my, a lot of. Those are my favorite ones, like my son when he was little, um, he, I always said he talked like Mario from the Mario games. It's Mario, and because that's what he, he was very sing songy in his when he was really tiny and um, so yeah, I said he talked like Mario. So I did a whole uh show about him talking like Mario.
Speaker 3:And then he had a pediatrician that was quite, had a lot of expletive-filled responses, even in the doctor's office, which I always thought was funny. And so there's a funny story about going to see the pediatrician and the pediatrician saying quite rude things. And it was real, it happened. They weren't being mean or anything, it's just that their vocabulary was such that they just threw these things in when they were talking to you. They're like you know, when you wash the baby, you got to wash them from head down to feet. You don't want your shitty ass all over the baby while you're washing them.
Speaker 3:That's funny and it's just very matter of fact and so forth, and so I mean that was a whole thing, that was.
Speaker 1:I'm like you. Oh, okay, sounds good. Um, this is gonna be fun because I know, like I said, dwe gets annoyed by me. So has there ever been a time that your co-host got so angry at you? Oh?
Speaker 3:yeah, really, oh, yeah, many times. So, um, I don't know that. I'm so trying to think how to phrase this properly. He's much more, um, of a fiery personality than I am. I'm very, very even right and uh, and so I don't remember ever being so angry with him. But I know he's been angry with me several times, but the weird thing is he always shows up every week.
Speaker 1:So, oh, there you go, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3:But but there's been many times where I thought, oh well, I think we're, you know we're probably going to be done. But like I've been friends with this guy for well over 30 years at this point, wow, so you know. But those things happen. But he's, he's, his um, his temperament is different than mine. My temperament is very everybody. We need to get along and you know I'm, I'm the smoother right, you're the hippie, you're the hippie there you go.
Speaker 3:I'm the hippie, he. He gets you know, upset by certain things, and and rightfully so. To be honest with you, because when you're doing a show like this it's no fun to be totally, um, empathetic, because if you are, it's boring, so you have to say things that are not what you would normally say in polite conversation that's really funny, because I say exactly the same thing in every conversation I have.
Speaker 1:Indeed, and that's I was gonna say this DW. I'm sure there are times where he got disgusted with me, I don't know overly every impression he does, okay, and also his I don't know his.
Speaker 2:The thing is he'll get serious and he'll say, oh, dw is the funniest comedian I know and he, you know, the most honest person, or whatever, and stuff like that. And yet for some reason, whenever he talks about me or what I've done, he always tries to add like weird illegal stuff in the midst of it's like, oh, you were smoking at the time. It's like, no, I don't smoke at all. It's like, oh, so you were drunk like no, I don't, I don't do that either.
Speaker 2:Like so, you said kripers, I don't say kripers are just never accurate.
Speaker 1:Oh, he's, but he's, you know he's pushing your buttons, and that's part of the joy of doing these kind of things is yeah, I mean clearly that's, that's, that's why he's doing it, obviously yeah which is funny because his reactions are literally the same, like I think if we saw him on the street and I and we just whatever, and I did something disgusting at that just discussing in his opinion, at that point he'd say oh geez, and he'd just stand there and he'd be all cool like I don't think I've ever seen him angry has. Has your family seen you angry? Like angry yeah um it it's.
Speaker 2:It's been a while okay um, but uh, and I, I get um, I get frustrated. I try not to get angry, and especially with and you have kids too, so you know what it's like where you know you're trying to do something that's not working and they may even be yelling at you, but to yell back is only going to make things worse, but to yell back is only going to make things worse. So you, I mean, you're not enjoying it, but you're trying not to get mad. So I wouldn't say angry, but I have gotten, I've got, I've gotten frustrated and it's. It's been a while since I've gotten angry.
Speaker 1:I would assume my frustrated no, I'm sorry, your frustrated is my like. Hold on, let me just I have to do this again. I would assume that my frustrated is your blown out angry, meaning like where you're at there, I'm just kind of like whatever I have a feeling you're angry would cause me to explode type of thing, I'm not.
Speaker 2:My frustrated would be like you would say that was frustrated. That's a sneeze. What are you talking about? That's not frustrating. How do you call that frustrated? I don't know it's funny.
Speaker 1:I mean, I can see it, bob, did you okay? So you and your co-host, you get along well. Oh yeah, you get some pretty good moments. Anything, that was absolutely the funniest thing.
Speaker 3:Oh my God, there's so many funny I couldn't tell you just one. I mean, there's so many weird things that have happened. I mean it also you. There's times where you get in these kind of giggle fits. I would call them because something's happening and you know each other and so I don't know that it always comes across in the audio whenever we hit upon these things.
Speaker 3:But I mean, there's some stuff that's just so hilarious to each, to ourselves, that, uh, people have to suffer through that, and some of those things are not necessarily funny on the surface, but they're very funny, um, to us. I'm trying to think of an example, but I mean he's you, he makes up, like you mentioned. You kind of antagonize DW there, he antagonizes me, and so then I'll get a little bit like hey, no, no, you know, and then he'll just keep it up and keep it up and keep it up and keep it up until it just becomes a giggle fest because it's so ridiculous. But I'm trying to think of a good example, but nothing's coming shooting into my head at the moment, which is terrible considering that I'm supposed to be funny well, you're not supposed to.
Speaker 1:We're the ones that are supposed to be funny but okay, there's time it'd take a little pressure off you a little bit there now yeah, no problem yeah, no, yeah, I mean, it's one of those things. But you already brought all the paranormal and you pissed off.
Speaker 3:That's because I yeah, I'd love to talk about that stuff. Uh, miles is not. I mean, he will talk about it, but not to the extent that I will. So this he'd be like can you shut up already? We already heard your stupid story about the shadow person. That's what he would be like wow yeah, he'd cut me off, so that'll be the end of that. So that's why I love to do these things where I get to go on and on about it well, I mean we're glad you did, because like I said, you were able to piss off like.
Speaker 1:Well, first you were able to like prove a theory that parents gaslight their children.
Speaker 3:Santa Claus.
Speaker 1:That too. And then obviously you, you pissed off the paranormal investigators and the psychics and basically called them all frauds and that.
Speaker 2:Not only 50, 50 of them.
Speaker 3:So yeah, somewhere in that. I mean, who knows what the percentage is, but over 50 yeah all right.
Speaker 1:Well that, that's fair I'm not into absolutes, so you know what I mean, I can't say everybody's a fraud, so yeah well, you can't say, you shouldn't say, but people would say and it would yeah that's yeah. Unfortunately everybody does that dw any lingering questions for bob no, this has been, this has been great yeah so, bob, um, you know you, you basically said where, where to find, uh, static radio, but maybe you'd like to go over it again and just let let people know where they could find show you can find.
Speaker 3:Well, you can find it on any of the aggregators. So if you go to amazon music or apple or whatever, just look up static radio. Um, but static radiocom has all the shows and at static radio on the socials very awesome.
Speaker 1:So facebook I'm assuming you have facebook, yeah yeah, there's something on facebook.
Speaker 3:Uh, miles takes care of that because that seems to be his hobby is being on facebook and and that kind of stuff. And I'm yeah, I'm not as enamored with Facebook.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, we have Static Radio on Facebook. I mean, dw is a lot less me than I am on Facebook, but I'm not real big on it either. I don't go on there and post every place I'm ever going to perform. I don't go on there. It's just not that thing. People are like, well, you need it for your business or to be more popular. No, you don't like, you don't don't.
Speaker 2:And the thing is, facebook is the one I do the most like. I don't even do TikTok or Instagram or anything like that, so I don't do Facebook a lot, but Facebook is the only social media that I'm on, so yeah, if you want to find me, they should just find me you know, like actually and see like I handle all the everything like anything, that's yep, anything and um it's.
Speaker 1:It's frustrating people like if you need more draining.
Speaker 3:Dw's trying to tell you it's draining I know well, and that's the thing.
Speaker 2:Forever right? No?
Speaker 1:I'm just saying that, that that people are like you got to do more frequently and I'm like man, I'm tired, you know, like I, I got a lot going on. I get not more frequently, I can't, you know. And people always give like tips. But you need to be like, precise at this point, this point, this point, to get more people to like I, I don't, I can't. People always give tips. You need to be precise at this point, this point, this point, to get more people to I can't do that. I got a full-time job and this and kids.
Speaker 3:Exactly, you got to live a life.
Speaker 1:Exactly. Until this pays the bills, I have things I have to do to pay the bills. There, you go All right, at the end of our show show, we do a fun little thing because I like it. It's called this or that and basically we just ask you a question. You have two choices and that's why it's called this or that. So okay, bob, you are you down. You are you down I'm ready that all right, cool. Oh, one more question, dw. Yeah, do you have a this or that for bob this week?
Speaker 2:I don't, because it's it's your turn it is.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you had, you had the sleuth I did, didn't I, you did. I think you did. All right, I think this or that is john or dw is that I think this or that is John or DW.
Speaker 3:Is that the?
Speaker 2:right, we'll get to that, hang on.
Speaker 1:That's one of them. All right, so you know, I always like to start my this or that you know doing the thing I like the most, and that's food. So, and I always start with breakfast.
Speaker 3:Bob, do you like your eggs scrambled?
Speaker 1:or over easy.
Speaker 3:What if I tell you I don't eat eggs?
Speaker 1:oh well, I mean, or I don't even eat breakfast. Well, sausage if I had to pick.
Speaker 3:I have had to pick a this or that. If you made me pick a this or that, sausage or bacon, that's. That's the easy one, because people can okay, well, I usually have it for dinner, but bacon okay, um any particular reason, why not not sausage?
Speaker 3:bacon is always consistent for the most part. Sausage is all over the map and so I like the consistency of bacon. I mean some is better than the others, but I mean sausage. Who knows what the heck kind of sausage somebody's going to throw in that pan and then stick it in your face.
Speaker 1:That's true, all right. Well, you know you don't like breakfast, so I'm not going to ask you breakfast questions. I'm going to ask you brunch questions. And what is the best thing to have with brunch? That's alcohol. So if you're gonna drink, would you drink rum or vodka?
Speaker 3:um. I've been historically a rum drinker okay, yeah, that's awesome. Rum's way better wine or beer um, if I, if I was forced, I'd choose wine over beer okay but honestly I don't like either one of those drinking at drinking at breakfast or drinking at dinner? Oh no, I don't drink it. I would at dinner, because yeah, I wouldn't so you wouldn't have a bloody mary no too, much too many, too many things going on there you're missing out, man, because yeah I mean, that's what everybody tells me.
Speaker 3:They tell me that a lot. They tell me I'm missing out a lot. But and you know what I say- huh more for you. What do you care?
Speaker 1:yeah, that's true. If you were good, okay. So you, you're done with brunch and you're like I gotta, I gotta go somewhere, I gotta do something, say you're, you had to travel, just right, like spontaneously had to travel. Would you drive or would you fly?
Speaker 3:well, it depends on where I'm going. Um, I do. If I'm going, you know, a big distance, I'd rather fly, but I hate flying as a as a rule. Um, so it really depends, but I'll suffer through flying if it's a really far distance.
Speaker 1:Otherwise, if it's not, if it's just like a cross state, I'll just drive awesome and this vacation that you're taking, that you're maybe driving or maybe flying to do you think you'd be going to a wonderful las vegas, nevada or new orleans during mardi gras I've been places and I can honestly say I'd rather go a third place. Yeah.
Speaker 3:I actually much more enjoyed Biloxi than I did.
Speaker 1:New Orleans, Really yeah and that's weird I mean whatever trips you trigger, I guess yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah all right. So your third option? Your third option is would you rather go to disney world or universal studios?
Speaker 3:universal studios. I think disney has it on that one. I've been to both, uh, over time and you know you just can't be disney. They really, you know I mean it's expensive. Both of them are expensive as all get out, but disney really puts the work in.
Speaker 1:You know, universal isn't also ran to disney if you think about, you know, the rides and stuff that's usually happens at disney first, and then it happens over there um, okay, well, so you went on vacation, you came back, you're, you're home, you're sitting down, you're gonna start watching tv and two programs come on, and the two programs come on. And the two programs are Seinfeld or the Office. Which one do you choose?
Speaker 3:I probably watch Seinfeld. I've watched both of them. I think I've watched all of both of them. But Seinfeld is kind of a go-to kind of show. I mean, you know there's so much going on and I've already immersed into the thing Office. Sometimes it's a miss. I'll do my larry david pretty pretty good. Yeah, the office is pretty good okay now.
Speaker 1:Okay, Now everybody loves. Raymond or Kevin can wait.
Speaker 3:I've actually watched Kevin can wait all the way through and I have not watched all of. Everybody loves Raymond, so I'll go. Kevin can wait.
Speaker 1:Oh, wow, that's. That's a shocker that one came from nowhere. I can't believe that.
Speaker 3:Wow, very cool all right, that weird. That's a weird thing to admit. Maybe that was negative, I don't know.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna put myself in the line here and say this one this is the one one that's a whole lot of fun. John Olson or Ed Gein.
Speaker 3:What are we doing?
Speaker 2:We have to clarify, john, what are you doing?
Speaker 1:I mean just hanging out. You're not going to be sitting on my chair. Oh well then.
Speaker 3:I'm not hanging out with Ed Gein, I can tell you that right now. I was going to say come on over then I'm not hanging out with ed gein. I can tell you that right now I was gonna say you're not like, come on over, sit on my human furniture. Yeah, are we going to prison together? I might pick ed gein, because we're palling around might be a good guy to have okay, fair new corner. You know what I mean ed I totally understand why you did all this I'm with you you don't.
Speaker 1:I don't know, I don't know if that would be a wise choice, because I feel like I want you to get a taste for human, I mean there's really are you really good?
Speaker 3:so you're telling me that you'd be valuable in prison. Okay, that's good to know.
Speaker 1:John, I appreciate that I think so all right. Well, I don't know if that was a win or not, but I'm gonna take it that I was chosen over ed gein, so yeah, well barely.
Speaker 3:He had a follow-up question right, I had to have a clarifier exactly, yeah, oh well, uh well, bob, thank you for coming on.
Speaker 1:Man man, this was a lot of fun, it was enjoyable. You were extremely informing, like informative.
Speaker 3:Well, you can think about it and look stuff up and then next week you can say God, that guy was so full of crap.
Speaker 1:I don't know. No, we don't really hold that many opinions. I don't think there's ever been anybody that we've ever came back and were like, nah, they were.
Speaker 2:I have. That'd be good. There have been a few where it's like halfway through it was like alright, I'm pretty sure nothing this person says is true. But again, that's just me, I don't know. Good old DWC.
Speaker 1:Both of y'all pissing everybody off today. That's cool, I don't care, I mean, that's all right, the show must go on, am I right? And you know? Until now, because you know what that means. Dw.
Speaker 2:I know what that means.
Speaker 1:And you guys know what that means. It means that you guys have been amazing. We have been Scalarius, we are out Later.