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Ep. 72 John and DW's Bogus Journey: Haunted Chernobyl
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Radioactive spirits, ghostly monastery monks, and children's laughter at an abandoned amusement park—welcome to our hypothetical journey to Ukraine's most haunted locations. When John suggests we embark on a 16-hour flight to explore paranormal hotspots, the conversation quickly reveals we can't actually get there due to the ongoing conflict. Nevertheless, we dive deep into what makes Ukraine—particularly Chernobyl—such a fascinating paranormal destination.
The abandoned town of Pripyat and the Chernobyl Exclusion Zone take center stage as we examine reports of ghostly sightings, unexplained noises (including the infamous "Chernobyl howl"), and mysterious cold spots throughout the region. Most intriguing is John's theory that nuclear energy—being perhaps the highest form of energy humans have harnessed—might actually amplify paranormal activity. If spirits need energy to manifest, what better source than a nuclear reactor core?
Our conversation balances paranormal possibilities with healthy skepticism, as DW questions what would truly convince him of a haunting. Would he need to see a full-bodied apparition, or would his logical mind always find alternative explanations? Meanwhile, we ponder whether radiation sickness might cause hallucinations mistaken for ghostly encounters, adding another layer to this complex investigation.
Beyond the spooky stories, we discuss Ukraine's rich culture (including pierogies and Chicken Kiev) and explore what draws people to disaster sites—from historical curiosity to the profound human stories embedded in such places. For some, like DW, the appeal lies in seeing a once-thriving location frozen in time rather than hunting for ghosts.
Join us for this thought-provoking exploration of nuclear energy, paranormal theories, and what makes certain locations feel inherently haunted. And stick around for our "This or That" game where we debate everything from Mozart vs. Led Zeppelin to whether you'd rather ghost hunt with the Ghostbusters or Scooby-Doo!
Thanks for watching what's going on. This is sclarious. I am john holson and with me, as always, is dw, the disorderly windbag serene there we go what you got there, buddy I grabbed another um baja blast pineapple hard, so yeah very, very cool.
Speaker 2:I am drinking water, so because you've uh uh slowed down the the thc drinks yeah, yeah, not I'm guessing, I'm, I would guess. Haven't stopped completely, but just decreased how much ingested? Plenty, I just uh well, but I mean the drinks you've, you've like yeah I'm not gonna drink like I was.
Speaker 1:Uh, I might drink, I might do one a week or something like that. Maybe I have other supplements that I can, you know, still get it somehow. Right, still get it somehow. Yeah, I might have one a week. I I can't, you know, if I'm gonna do this, I can't turn everything down. I can turn a lot of things down right away, you know, but when it, you know, people offer me candy or stuff like that, just not doing the whole sugar thing. I'm going to be perfectly honest with you. That blood test kind of scared the bejeebus out of me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, understandable, especially even in cans of pop's like a crazy amount of sugar and in, like we said before, in thc, there's a crazy amount of sugar. Oh, what I was gonna say is, um, uh, I had a relative who I don't know how much, but lost a considerable amount of weight by just saying no to sugar and salt. Yeah, like, not not completely, because obviously there's a teeny amount of sugar and salt and pretty much everything. But you know, left out anything that's like a crazy amount of it. Like, doesn't do salted pretzels, he gets unsalted, doesn't do you know chips that are crazy salted and stuff like that. And then doesn't do candy, doesn't do, uh, ice cream, you know stuff like that, and I again don't know how much, don't know what the number is, but an insane amount of weight just by, you know, decreasing that.
Speaker 1:So that's crazy it, because you, just adding more water, can do it too, like oh yeah, yeah, I mean that's essentially, you just have to eat less, drink more water, boom you're. You're down like it's. People get rich like millions of dollars. Listen, just eat less, drink more water, don't do shit. That, oh my God, have you ever? You probably haven't, mr Eater. We just spent the last trip we were on.
Speaker 2:I know, for the record, I know I shouldn't be eating them, even though I have them all the time, but yes, go ahead.
Speaker 1:There's not a whole lot of information. You can't see the nutritional facts on the back of a donut, but I'm going to throw it out there, it's probably not great. Did you know? There's saturated fat in everything, like literally everything, yeah, and you're only allowed 20 grams of saturated fat a day. That's what they say. You're allowed 20 grams of saturated fat a day.
Speaker 2:Well and. I also heard that the food in the us is so yeah is the worst is so processed and sugar and stuff like that that there was someone who I don't know how they tracked it but ate the same thing in some other country and lost all this weight because the same food in other country doesn't have as much sugar and salt and, uh, preservatives and and crap like that. So yeah, we, we, we ruin our food here so yeah, it's bad.
Speaker 1:So okay, million dollar idea eat less, drink more water boom yeah, there you go, good, um, but yeah, so that that's what, what's been kind of going on with me. I'm not going to say no to everything because you know, like I don't want to like my, I don't want my life to suck, you know. But there's a lot of things I will be saying no to right away.
Speaker 2:And, admittedly, the more drastic the change, the less likely you are to keep up with it, like if you just all of a sudden said nothing sweet, nothing but fruits and vegetables for the rest of my life. If you did that you'd probably get sick of it, like not physically, but you would get tired of it, you would miss those other things and it would probably not stick.
Speaker 1:So that's why One time it's like a relapse, like a heroin addict. One time, boom. And then you're done, right, right back at it, eating freaking gallons of queso and bags of freaking chips.
Speaker 2:That's why, generally, the diets that are more extreme don't don't last some people do, some people can stick to it and some people are vegan and vegetarian and all that. But yeah, and mind you disclaimer, I am by no means a nutritional expert or fitness expert or expert in anything.
Speaker 1:Me neither. I can only talk on experience and I will say this I did the keto diet, yeah, and I freaking lost like a lot of weight pretty fast and I was like tone, I was probably in the best shape of my life, like sincerely, and if I would have kept it up it would have been amazing, but life happens. But yeah, when life happened right and I ate a carb and I gained everything back plus Right.
Speaker 2:So I mean that's.
Speaker 1:I gained everything back plus something. That's part of the whole fad diet thing. Don't do that, just eat less, drink more water there was a time just for kicks.
Speaker 2:She wanted to see what effect it would have. But my wife did full vegan Like not even just vegetarian did vegan and I was like sure, I'll do it with you, absolutely. First off, it was crazy expensive because she tried to get vegan alternatives to stuff Like oh there's this, you know, almond milk-based shredded cheese. Well, it's like five times the cost of regular shredded cheese. But she got it, it didn't I. I was like I can't do this again. I I fully support you. I'll do it again if you want to, but this I can't indefinitely live like this.
Speaker 2:I crave like meat you know like I just want a burger right now and stuff like that and the the alternatives never taste the same. So anyone who is vegan, I admire that you're able to do that, but I just, I, um, yeah, I, I need a donut every now and then and a a slab of meat well, I mean I don't want to get onto this too much, but like, obviously, like kevin, kevin smith had a massive heart attack oh right and and uh he, well, if he wasn't high he would be dead.
Speaker 1:You know, he basically said that too, which is kind of funny. But anyway, and again, and again. John's not a doctor, but he had a massive heart attack and he went to vegan. He's vegan now and he's probably the healthiest he's ever been in his life, but I don't think it's for everybody. I really don't.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't. It'd be like taking away peanut butter for me. I'd just say no man.
Speaker 2:Like it'd be like taking away peanut butter for me. I just say, no, man, like you can't. No, it's not. Peanut butter is probably, by the way, another thing you should, uh, not have quite so much I have I did alternative and it okay, it does the job, but it's not real, oh my god because have you looked at the nutritional? Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah thankfully, number one is peanuts, but number two is sugar. So anyway, that was health minute by john and dw. Yeah, we went.
Speaker 1:Please consult a doctor before uh engaging in any diet or exercise program, anything me or he says, because he stuffed his face with donuts for like eight hours straight. He's not. You're not the pinnacle of health over there.
Speaker 2:Pot and kettle.
Speaker 1:You're like Homer Simpson in Smithersers his body, which is the weirdest thing anyway. All right, so hey, you know, let's move on from the from health minute to away from health minute and go right to selling our stuff.
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Speaker 1:Yeah, a pet bowl? Uh, we have coasters, not coasters, coasters to put your drinks on. You know dw has his hardbound. Do I just have water? Right now? That's all I have. I'm being a good boy, I just have water. So, uh, you put that. You know you can put your stuff. I don't know what you're drinking. Uh, who knows, is this some sort of Chardonnay? Uh, a coffee? Maybe? I have no idea. Maybe a flavored water with crystal light? I don't know. You could be drinking any of that. What you, you drink it and you put it down right there on the ghoster on your table, so you don't get a ring on the wood. You know, because you know your grandmother and your mother used to say, like, don't put that, you're gonna god damn it, you're gonna get a ring on the wood. That's what they're gonna say. And so can't do, get the ghosters, dw. Is there anything else they should get?
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Speaker 1:It's ross, it's rachel, that's all that stuff going on right there and the whole aaron rogers to the vikings thing, and then and then and then maybe I don know, you're kind of going around, maybe you want to see what the weather's like. It's nice right now, but is it going to be nice in a couple days? I don't know, it might be. And then you're like, wow, nice weather. Man John's always talking about nice weather when he talks about Scalarius Saturdays on the Scolarius facebook page. Maybe, yeah, maybe, I'll you know what scolarius huh, you know what I? I kind of want to know what, what dw is doing so and then you go to dw3 comedian on facebook and then you find me and john also comedian 2.0 on Facebook. You can find us both together.
Speaker 2:But not a couple.
Speaker 1:Yep, not a couple. We can find us on the Scalarius page, once again on Facebook. We do have Instagram and a TikTok. It's called Scalarius 8. And you know, if you just want to talk to us, you can, you know, just email us SclarisPod at gmailcom. Or if you want to listen to every single episode that we had all of them you can do that at SclarisPodBuzzsproutcom. Hey, dw, yeah.
Speaker 2:What are you doing? What are you doing? I'm not doing anything.
Speaker 1:I'm having a hard one to do. Okay, are you supposed to have one of those before you get on a plane?
Speaker 2:as long as I don't know, you're the one that has THC issues. That's true.
Speaker 1:I'd be drinking a lot more than that, though. Alright To get on a plane, especially this plane, because our plane we're going to pack DW, are you packed up? Yes, you are, that's good. Did you bring warm clothes or cold clothes?
Speaker 2:What is it like there? I don't know. What should we be? I think it's a little chilly. I don't know.
Speaker 1:What should we be? I think it's a little chilly. I don't know. You ever seen Spies Like Us?
Speaker 2:Oh, yep, yeah, that bad.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a very accurate description of where we're going to be going today. Yeah, I don't know. So you get warm clothes anything. You have your passport right. I've got my know. So you can get warm clothes anything. You have your passport right? I've got my passport. We'll talk about that later.
Speaker 2:You're going to get stopped.
Speaker 1:Talk about this stuff. Hopefully I don't get deported. That'd be horrible. Hold on. When you're in Ukraine and you get deported, where do they put you? What horrible country would you have to?
Speaker 2:go to after that, like do you see what I mean? Like what are you deporting to? I don't know? I you're the one in trouble, so I guess I don't know anyway, to find. Uh, I want to see how long this is going to take. I'm trying to look up a flight here it's a long flight, man what the heck? Why can't I find um. They're like we don't fly there. And what about this? No, we don't fly there either.
Speaker 1:Um you probably want to go to kiev. That's where you went. Oh, I gave it away, do you know? We're going to the ukraine, guys. That's where we're going. We're going over to the ukraine ah, can't find.
Speaker 2:Oh, hang on, hang on, I I gotta find. Sorry, my, this happens to me all the time where my curiosity kicks in and I'm not going to be satisfied until I figure out. Um, you're fine, we just figure out the answer. Okay, so you, you deal with, uh, um, the dog who found something in your bag, and I'll try and get us to the Ukraine. All airports, hang on.
Speaker 1:You know me so well.
Speaker 2:Okay, one adult so you can get your own freaking ticket. No, oh, my gosh gosh, it cannot find anything. We can't find any flights that matches your search. Why can I not get to this place? What is going on?
Speaker 1:I think that might be a question for another conversation off of this podcast oh, geez what.
Speaker 2:What do I do here? Okay, flights. I swear I'm gonna figure this out. Um, maybe here's the thing. You know what I just thought of. Maybe we're just not flying to the ukraine right now that's what I'm saying as in uh anywhere in the Ukraine.
Speaker 1:Okay, what about? Well, we have to get there somehow. So where are we going to go? So, how are we getting there?
Speaker 2:if we can't.
Speaker 1:Oh man, oh no. Do we have to fly into Moscow and drive over? That's going to be a horrible trip. I don't want to be at the border.
Speaker 2:I'm not going to lie, so hang on, I don't want to be at the border, not going to lie, so hang on. Why can't I?
Speaker 1:This is a mystery. We're unfolding it here.
Speaker 2:Like I say, this has just gotten me. Oh, because of the war.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, Makes sense.
Speaker 2:We can't go there right now because of the war, but we're going to have to go there, so we're going to have to find a way. Alright, so let's let me see if we can find out, just hypothetically, how long it's going to be.
Speaker 1:A long flight is what it is, but once we get there it's going to be a whole lot of fun, I guarantee you alright, let's play to the ukraine 16 hours um.
Speaker 2:It's 16 hours if we're able to find a non-stop flight yeah if we have to like, if we have a layover anywhere, we could be talking 24, 26 hours, something like that, possibly a day, um, also depending on like where, specifically in the ukraine, we have to go.
Speaker 2:But it makes sense it's gonna, so it's gonna take us a while. Um, as you know, when I travel, I so I load up my tablet with a bunch of movies, right? So I put in my headphones and I'll be watching movies. That way, I don't have to talk to you or anyone. The only conversation I plan on having is excuse me, I have to go to the bathroom. If the person, if, like you know, if I have to walk over them to, if I'm, cause I'll, I'll, probably, I, oh, maybe I shouldn't. Well, no, never mind. One of the questions we sometimes ask, sometimes for this or that window or aisle seat, right? So are you a window or aisle person?
Speaker 1:I don't like heights, so I don't care.
Speaker 2:to be honest, I want to be as far away, so you would do aisle because you don't want to look out the window. I don't care. To be honest, I want to be as far like, so you would. You would do aisle because you don't want to look out the window. I don't want to look outside yeah, I don't okay and see me.
Speaker 2:Um, I now, generally I I usually fly not too far, so I actually don't have. Usually if I'm going to um, florida that's, I want to say it's like three hours, something like that. Okay, I don't have to go in that amount of time. I go before we get on the plane. Right, I can you. I usually don't have to go in that length, so I usually don't have to walk over anyone to get to use the bathroom, point being I like the window.
Speaker 2:I feel like it's pretty cool to be, to look out the window and see what's going on. I really like to look out the window. I also like to um, if I can, uh, uh, prop my head towards the side to take a nap, okay, um, so For me, I like the window.
Speaker 1:I like that much better. I'm not into it. I don't like the heights. To be honest with you, the bumpier, it's not going to be a good ride at all At all.
Speaker 2:16 hours then If we can get there, so if we, if we could, if we could get there um, but right now um due to the conflict, right, we're not. We're's a um. The ukraine airspace remains closed to all civil flights since february 2022. Okay, due to the russian, this conflict ends. So let's, let's say they have resolved their issue. The conflict is over. There is peace in the ukraine. We can safely fly there now peace everywhere, baby yeah, that that's.
Speaker 2:That's the. The hypothetical I I'm envisioning is that the issue is over. That's what I would like to see, okay.
Speaker 1:Well, let's say hypothetically in this, the issue is over and it came to a peaceful solution and everybody is good to go and to live their lives the way that they want to live, like God freaking intended. So let's say that happens, we're gonna go on our 16-hour flight. We're gonna land well, we might as well land in the capital city of kiev. That's where we'll go. Not a whole lot of like, I mean, we're just we're going to go through all these little you know places and then we're going to settle in one big-ass place yeah, one. That's going to be kind of fun, alright.
Speaker 1:Ukraine has a rich history filled with fascinating and eerie legends of haunted places. Many of those locations are tied to the country's tumultuous past, from wars to political upheaval. Here's one Well, okay, we're going to skip that one, we're going to come back. So this is where it's going to be fun, because this is a different language, so I'm not going to pronounce this correctly at all, but we're going to have Lviv's old town. Lviv are probably. Lv is probably yeah, yeah, eve, yeah, eve. Maybe, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I don't know. I'm not even going to pretend to know this time.
Speaker 1:It's home to many historical buildings, and some are thought to be haunted. The city's old churches, cathedrals and narrow alleyways are the setting for many ghost stories. One popular legend is that of a ghost of a priest who is said to haunt the La Cave Cemetery, which dates back to the 18th century said to haunt the like cave cemetery which dates back to the 18th century.
Speaker 1:So yeah, eve. Yes, if I'm pronouncing it wrong, let me know. The hive, the hive. I guess I don't. That's the other one. The Pisky village. The village of Pisky, which saw intense fighting during the war in Donbas, is said to be haunted by the restless souls of soldiers who lost their lives there. The area's desolation, combined with the memories of the ongoing conflict, have led many to believe the spirits of the fallen still linger. Memories of the ongoing conflict. So we're talking recent. Wow, wait what.
Speaker 1:Recent. Recent Like this is recent, I guess the area's dissolution combined with the memories of the ongoing conflict have led many to believe that the spirits of the fallen still linger, unless. I'm saying that, I mean unless I'm understanding that incorrectly, but it sounds like a more recent event. Olesko Castle, located in the Yiv region, olesko Castle is another location rumored to be haunted. The castle dates back to the 12th century and has a long history of political intrigue, wars and executions. Some visitors claim to have seen the ghost of a woman dressed in 17th century clothing roaming the halls. It's always a woman roaming the halls and weird garb. You ever notice that? Yeah, always. Even my story, michael's story, was a woman roaming the halls and anyway, and always people who die in mysterious circumstances exactly, it's weird kiev's saint michael's golden dome monastery.
Speaker 1:Kiev, the capital of ukraine, is home to several historic sites with ghostly legends attached to them. Saint michael's golden dome monastery is one such place, with stories about the spirits of the monks and soldiers from centuries past appearing in the area. So a monastery that's pretty badass. A haunted monastery. Last time I saw that one was in the Nun. No, that's not a monastery, is it Nunnery? You ever seen the movie the Nun? No, oh, it's amazing. You should watch the.
Speaker 2:Nun, remember if it's other than the gremlins. I don't think I've, and it's a horror movie. I probably haven't seen it. You should watch it.
Speaker 1:It's good stuff, alright. Kiev, perchik, lavra I have no idea if that's how you say it, but okay. This ancient Orthodox monastery in Kiev is believed to be haunted by monks and saints from centuries ago. That's two monasteries, by the way. Visitors often speak of seeing strange shadows and hearing whispers while exploring its underground catacombs, catacombs, catacombs.
Speaker 2:Woohoo.
Speaker 1:Alright, those are some some ghostly areas in Ukraine, but you know we're interested in those ghostly areas, but that's not why we came here. Nope, we came here. Nope, we came here for probably the most famous area, oh, yep, and that is the Chernobyl Exclusion Zone. Perhaps the most famous haunted location in Ukraine is the area around the Chernobyl nuclear power plant. The 1986 disaster and the subsequent subsequent evacuation left behind a eerie, abandoned ghost town of Pripyat. Pripyat, okay, pripyat. Many claim to hear strange noises, see unexplained figures and even experiencing strange feelings of dread when entering the area.
Speaker 2:When entering the exclusion zone. Yeah, here's where now again, the skeptical in me is saying obviously this is going to be kind of a spooky area.
Speaker 1:Very spooky.
Speaker 2:Just in terms of like. I can't think of another place that was once inhabited. That's all of a sudden like. No one lives there, so there's a ghost.
Speaker 1:There's a town in Pennsylvania that's consistently on fire. Yeah, underneath it's not stable or something. It's a like a mine or something. I can't remember exactly what people live in pennsylvania, you know what I'm talking about. It like, yeah, so it's consistently on fire. So I, I mean I understand, like, yeah, there are places that are. You know, I was gonna say they were close, but that's not even close. I understand it's a nuclear disaster and that's what. But I'm just saying, like the haunted fire town, I mean, you know it's creepy too. That was my point in all that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I, and my point is just that an area like that, that once had a thriving city and is now not, is going to feel weird, whether or not it's paranormal, right, right.
Speaker 1:So we're going to do a little bit of history on this and then we're going to go through all of the places that people have had activity in. Okay, so paranormal activity around Chernobyl, particularly in the abandoned town of Piripit and the surrounding exclusion zone, has been a topic of fascination for many, many years. The site of the 1986 nuclear disaster where the chernobyl nuclear power plant exploded is often associated with the eerie phenomenon and ghostly tales. The ghost town, the parapet, once home to workers and their families, is now left in the state of decay and its atmosphere that fuels the paranormal stories. You just said that, excuse me right. Some of the reported paranormal activities include ghostly sightings. Many visitors to chernobyl exclusion zone, including those who have ventured into parapet, claim to have seen apparitions of people, particularly around the old buildings like the amusement park and school. Again, excuse me, some suggest these are the spirits of former residents who perished during or shortly after the evacuation, while others think that the souls of those lost to radiation and the disaster itself haunt the area. There are also reports of figures in the old photographs that don't appear when they were taken, suggesting that what people are capturing are no longer physically present but might still haunt the area in some form.
Speaker 1:So first let's go back and let's talk about the Chernobyl disaster and everything. So this place is still radioactive as Jesus. I don't even remember how many lifetimes of radiations in that area, but it's not good. So there was a horrible, horrible thing and I don't know how many perished. I can't remember that fact as we talk right now. Hang on.
Speaker 1:But, Throw that in your Google box. There, dw, I'm working on it.
Speaker 2:Slow down, okay, okay, uh, the response involved more than five 500,000. So is that how many died? Wait, I thought so. There's a consensus that a total of approximately 30 people died from immediate blast trauma and acute radiation syndrome in the seconds to months after the disaster, respectively, with 60 in total in the decades since of radiation-induced cancer. I thought it was way more.
Speaker 1:It's not a whole lot of people, but I think it's because they evacuated like they evacuated.
Speaker 2:Well, you know so here's the other thing. There's considerable debate concerning the accurate number of projected deaths that have not yet to occur. Um and long-term death estimates range from 4 000 to 16 000.
Speaker 1:So, because of the people in the general area.
Speaker 2:Right, and did these people die from the effects of the blast, or was it? You know, I thought it was way more.
Speaker 1:So I knew it wasn't that many, because there wasn't. You know, they did well in getting people out of there. But, yeah, unexplained noises. Paranormal investigators and tourists alike have reported hearing strange noises in the abandoned buildings and streets. These include the sound of footsteps, voices, whispers and even the laughter of children. Some of these sounds are thought to be the echoes of the past, remnants of the people who lived there before the disaster, forever trapped in a time loop Like Groundhog Day.
Speaker 2:I guess.
Speaker 1:Yeah, huh, all right, cold spots. Cold spots are another common paranormal phenomenon reported around Chernobyl. But to be fair, fair, a lot of the places are outside. So I mean, and it is. I mean I'm not 100 what the weather gets to, but it is colder, I feel there. Uh, these areas where the temperature suddenly drops to uncomfortable levels are often associated with ghostly presence. Some people speculate that these cold spots might be linked to the residual radiation still present in the environment, while others attribute them to paranormal activity, poltergeist activity.
Speaker 1:There have been stories from those who explored the ruins of the parapet about moving objects that move by themselves or falling without explanation, doors that open and close by themselves, furniture shifting or being overturned that one's different and items being displaced are common occurrences that have raised suspicion of poltergeist-like activity. Furniture shifting or being overturned those are two very drastic things. Shifting is obviously just moving a couple inches or whatever else being overturned that's thrown over. It's just kind of funny how it goes from one extreme to the other. Yeah, so I don't know. Let's go back to the cold spots theory. And it said something about the? Uh. It says something about the cold spots being attributed to radiation sickness or radiation poisoning. So I mean, what do you?
Speaker 2:I don't know, how do you, how do you know what you saw is a spirit and not a hallucination, because you've got radiation sickness. True.
Speaker 1:And maybe this is a quick Google search away from you, but I'm sitting there thinking like just how radioactive is Pyramid and what I mean by that is. So these people that are going in there, they're obviously going in there with I mean, they're not suited up. So I mean, depending on how long they stay, like, where, where is that? Yeah, did you find it?
Speaker 2:uh, no, so I mean, you're talking like you can actually. Well, you could visit it really in. In 2002 there were guided tours. Well, I'll be down. Um, oh, and a little sidebar here. Uh, the peak was almost 125 000 visitors in 2019, coinciding with the release of the hbo miniseries. So hbo came out with the miniseries about the disaster. Everyone's now interested in it and so a bunch of people in 2019 went to go see it that's pretty cool.
Speaker 1:So you know, I don't remember. I think I watched that miniseries, but I don't remember them talking about any paranormal stuff in it do you?
Speaker 2:I would think they're probably more focused on the disaster, part of it and the radiation rather than think they're probably more focused on the disaster part of it and the radiation, rather than bringing that element into it.
Speaker 1:You never know. Though I don't know, I'm interested in it.
Speaker 2:I think, and obviously I'm guessing, that there's um uh suits or whatever that you wear when you go to see this, because apparently there's also a subculture of illegal visitors that roam the area for prolonged periods of time, some of them uh, often without taking appropriate precautions against radiation okay, so there is something so there's still radiation, and at this point I mean it's not nearly as bad as it was when it first happened. So at this point, how do you prove the radiation, or whatever happened is is directly from that?
Speaker 2:because, again, there were, um, I don't know how many thousands of people that had, you know, cancer afterwards, but were they able to prove that it was from the disaster?
Speaker 1:You know, so.
Speaker 1:I don't know, that's just too bad and you know damn well. Like if they were there around the disaster and they got cancer it was because of the disaster. I mean, yeah, all right, the Chernobyl howl. Some reports describe hearing a strange, unnatural howling sound in the vicinity of a nuclear plant, often attributed to some form of paranormal energy. This noise is described as a deep, otherworldly and unsettling howl. While some believe this is a natural sound caused by the wind moving through the rusted remnants of the reactor and buildings, others suggest it might be the voices of spirits trapped in the zone. I, okay, I don't believe that. I don't believe the voices. I'm sorry, it's just me putting on my skeptic hat. I don't think that, but there was something it said here that's quite interesting and I wonder if any of the other paranormal nerds picked it up. But said that this howl comes from a vicinity of the nuclear plant, often attributed to some form of paranormal energy. So if paranormal is energy itself, what is legitimately the highest form of energy that we've ever discovered?
Speaker 2:I don't know nuclear, right? Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, all right, I mean because the nuclear bomb is probably like the most lethal killing device we've ever come up with.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, it's just like that, bye, bye. But the point is that's energy, right that it? If I remember nuclear energy, it's like the atoms and everything else. The atom heats up and all that, and that's what I mean. I'm not I've been oppenheimer or whatever, but I'm just throwing it out there, that like what if? What if the paranormal activity there could be higher because it has the highest form of energy to manifest? Off of Just throwing it out there, okay, yeah.
Speaker 1:It's not just an electrical box with EMF and things like that. We're talking like, yeah, a core. I mean the core, it's got. It's a red. You know, that's the elephant's foot. I think it's the core. But what I'm saying is like, do you see what I mean? Like that's there, it is.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Manifesting the shit off of that. I'm just throwing it out there, I don't know, not saying that it's the voices of the people from the past and things like that. I do feel that there might be energy there and it's surrounding that area and the howl itself is, most likely, most likely, exactly what it said here just the wind catching, yeah, building. But right, I am not discounting the fact that it could be more haunted because of the fact that it's nuclear energy, just just saying the presence of radiation and its effects. Oh we, we were just talking about this.
Speaker 1:Radiation itself though not inherently paranormal, I'm sorry, this is funny Plays a role in the atmosphere and the area. Some people believe the residual radiation combined with the tragedy of the event has caused some kind of supernatural energy. Okay, the emotional trauma and the overwhelming destruction could be factors and contribute to the sense of unease and strange occurrences. In fact, some paranormal enthusiasts claim that the very radiation that contaminated the area could be amplifying or creating energy conducted to paranormal events. I didn't even read that before I said it. Boom, just say it. All. Right, can I get a?
Speaker 2:john was right about something there, there, I don't know how. Uh, I don't know how.
Speaker 1:Just John was right about that. All right, this is what DW came for the amusement park. The amusement park in Piripette, with its eerie Ferris wheel and abandoned bumper cars, is one of the most photographed locations in the exclusion zone. The park was meant to open just days after the disaster, but it never did. Many paranormal investigators report a heightened sense of dread or unease when near the Ferris wheel, as though the place holds a tragic and restless energy. Some even report hearing the sounds of children playing or screaming, though the park has been silent for decades. That's terrifying. I can you know I could deal with ghosts. I can, like I, I, for the most part, I can deal with ghosts like okay, don't like you're here, please leave me alone. You know like that kind of stuff. Yeah, yeah, don't like you're here, please leave me alone. You know like that kind of stuff. Yeah, but kids, uh, kids are bad enough. Is it now ghost kids?
Speaker 2:do you mean your own kids? No, just, just all kids, because it would make sense. You don't like peanuts or, mr rogers. You know the laughter of children. It would be another thing that you don't like, so it makes sense that you know sunshine, rainbows, these are all things that are, you know, not good for you.
Speaker 1:You know, I tried smiling this morning.
Speaker 2:I see that even made me laugh.
Speaker 1:I tried smiling this morning and it looked creepy Like I'm like no, no, my smile does not say like hi, how are you? My smile says you're my next victim. That's what my smile says you're my next victim that's what my smile says.
Speaker 2:It's how does? How does that go for you at work? Because you don't have a presence that says how many help you.
Speaker 1:I know right, it's hard because people don't know how to take me. I'm, I am the way I am every single minute of the day. There is listen, listen, I am the. Yeah, I'm the genuine article. Baby, I am exactly who I say I am, I am exactly what I say I am. There's no, there's no dodging it, there's nothing like that.
Speaker 1:John Olson, the person on the street is John Olsen. The person on the stage Is John Olsen, the person right here talking to you right now. Yeah, anyway. So my personality can be quite hard to read at some points. So, yeah, it's hard, I don't know.
Speaker 1:But anyway, um, I don't know how you got on me and me not liking kids. First of all, like I, I'm not saying that I don't like, I'm just saying like it makes sense that they'd be. You know, I don't know, I just I have more tolerance for an adult who you know of age, who's smart, and I said hey, dude, listen, if you want to hang out here, sit on the couch, cool, but don't mess with me and don't mess with any of my family. I think they understand that. You say that to a kid, you to a kid. You say that to your kid Are they going to sit there. No, we'll be up doing something else. They're just unreasonable. That's all I'm saying. It has nothing to do with me not liking kids I don't but it means I'm just saying that ghost kids would be unreasonable, especially at a damn amusement park, don't you think?
Speaker 2:You'd think at an amusement park they'd be happy because they've got you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, mom and dad never give them exactly what they want, and then you have to sit there. Why are we waiting in line so long? Why are we waiting in line so long? Why are we waiting in line so long? You want to ride the damn thing, anyway. Mysterious animal sightings, this one I like. Another eerie aspect of the Chernobyl Exclusion Zone is the number of mutated animals and strange creatures that still inhabit the area.
Speaker 2:The number of mutated animals and strange creatures that still inhabit the area, while most animals are now returning to the zone and adapting to the environment.
Speaker 1:There have been reports of unusual sightings, strange mishappened animals or sightings of animals that appear to be ghostly in nature, possibly given the place of an unsettling otherworldly presence Like Blinky in nature, possibly given the place of an unsettling otherworldly presence Like Blinky, like Blinky.
Speaker 2:Or the three-eyed fish.
Speaker 1:Yeah, blinky was the squirrel right.
Speaker 2:No, blinky was the fish, blinky's the three-eyed fish. Yeah, the three-eyed fish, but don't take it out on poor defenses, that's right, don't take it out on poor defenses, that's right.
Speaker 1:Don't take it anyway. So who knows? I don't. That's something else we need to look into of what they're they exactly say are you know? Is the? Is the thing with uh, with uh, with chernobyl, you know, with the animals? Yeah, mishappen. Mishappen does that mean like extra head, extra foot? Is that what mishappen means?
Speaker 2:I don't know that'd be, that'd be interesting ghostly in nature, like a white glow.
Speaker 1:That's just the radiation that's burns coming out of the. I come in peace. It's a Simpson reference, ladies and gentlemen. Anyway, the paranormal activity in Chernobyl is largely tied to its tragic history and the psychological weight of the disaster, whether it's the ghosts of those who died or those who fled the eerie atmosphere of the abandoned towns and the long-lasting effects of the nuclear catastrophe. The region has become a magnet for ghost hunters, paranormal enthusiasts and those interested in the supernatural. While some of these experiences may be attributed to the unique and disturbing environment, they contribute to Chernobyl's legacy as one of the most haunted places on Earth. That was Chernobyl, ladies and gentlemen. That was Ukraine, ladies and gentlemen. That was that was Ukraine.
Speaker 1:Ladies and gentlemen, that was Mm-hmm, that was that. Yeah, so, dw, if we're going to Ukraine, would you Okay so say we are not into the paranormal, just me and you going to Ukraine, to I don't know what we'd be doing over there right now, but just saying we'd go over there. Oh, ukraine, I think they eat pierogies. Pierogies are really good and I feel you would like those a lot.
Speaker 2:Well. I was also going to say. When you mentioned Kiev, I was like is that the same as Chicken Kiev? And sure enough it is. Oh yeah, that's supposedly where it originated. Oh nice, I'll have some Chicken Kiev while we're there.
Speaker 1:You don't want any pierogies.
Speaker 2:What the heck are pierogies?
Speaker 1:I was telling. It's like a, it's stuffed, it's potatoes and cheese, and sometimes they put meat in there in a. I'll try it In dough and then they fry up the dough using butter. It's really good stuff. Here in the great state of Minnesota we have the most amazing dip. It's called top to tater, and you can take these pierogies and you can put them in top to tater and eat them that way. Yeah, it's like eating a fried turkey neck and gravy is what that is anyway.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so dw yeah we're going over there, we're having some paragis, we're having some chicken kiev yeah if we weren't going over there for paranormal purposes? Would you want to see Piripit in the area around Chernobyl?
Speaker 2:I think I would, you know, not for paranormal reasons, but I think it'd be kind of cool to see this place that's, you know, for lack of a better term deserted, pretty much, yeah, oh it's jacked up. Yeah, I don't know something about it is intriguing.
Speaker 1:I would want to see it, so yeah um, okay, so where would you want to go in, in or around there, like what would be your, your favorite?
Speaker 2:place, I don't know, I, uh, I, I, I guess I'd want to stay away from the center of the disaster. I don't need to get too close to the radiation, but I don't know, I just To wander around, I guess. Okay, it's hard to say what my favorite would be, because I haven't been there and it's just such a big, vast empty space.
Speaker 1:I don't know what the best part would be um, alright, would you like the fact that it's deserted, or would you much rather have people there for your own benefit, not theirs, right?
Speaker 2:um, I wouldn't mind if it's deserted, if there's no one else there okay, I think that'd be cool all right.
Speaker 1:So does any of that creep you out in an unnatural way, meaning like not the fact that you know 30 people died and you know the horrible disaster that happened, but in a paranormal way would chernobyl creep you out?
Speaker 2:you know, again can't say without being there, but I don't think so. I you know. You're saying there might be more paranormal stuff because of the radiation, the radiation energy. Yeah, but I'm saying, well, couldn't you be mistaken because of that radiation, you know, and the, the sounds that you're hearing, hearing, is it just like we said before, is it wind going through the windows or open doors?
Speaker 2:yep, you know if you're, if you feel this eerie feeling, is it a paranormal feeling, or is it just because you're in a place that's got a bit of radiation and there's no one living there? In a place that's got a bit of radiation and there's no one living there, don't know.
Speaker 1:Exactly, and how many heads would you like to see on an animal?
Speaker 2:I guess how many heads are. What was that? Was that Lord of the Rings or whatever? That there was a no, I'm thinking of like Harry Potter, that had like a two-headed or three-headed dragon or something like that. Oh, really Wasn't there. I don't know, I can't remember.
Speaker 1:Okay, I was going to say what animal would you like to see it on, like here.
Speaker 2:let me put it this way I would not want to see it on a dog because I would want to keep the image of a dog as a cute little, you know, normal animal. If I saw a two-headed dog, I'd be very sad, I think.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it'd creep me the hell out. That's what it would do to me, but then again, two heads on anything would creep me the hell out.
Speaker 2:That's true?
Speaker 1:Yeah, alright, well, you know me. I personally I'd be hanging out at the amusement park just because it seems like it'd be the most active, with the little brat kids running around or whatever, and I sure as shit would like it to be empty. I hate the fact that you know what happened over there and how it emptied out, but I mean less people equals. Okay, you know what I mean. So, um, and I would like to know just where you could go around there and how long you could be there before, uh, you start feeling the effects I mean is it like right away, like in star trek 2?
Speaker 1:right guys, or is it like over time you?
Speaker 2:know what I mean. And is it like what is the protective gear that you wear Like, does it protect you a hundred percent from it? Or is it kind of like well, you know to a certain degree, but there's some that I'm trying to think of an analogy, kind of like a fire suit for a fireman.
Speaker 2:You can put on that suit, go into a fire and be protected to some degree, but then if you can't, just um, you know, walk into flame and expect to be okay, you know. So is it kind of the same thing where it protects you from, like, say, 99 of radiation. So if you're there for an hour you're fine, but if you get too close to it or if you're there for too long, again not a scientist don't know what the deal is with that. So I just know, based on what we were reading, you don't want to go in there naked. Probably not a good idea no, probably so.
Speaker 1:Would you want to ghost hunt it like I? Don't know if me and you were like, hey, let's, let's ghost hunt, let's do this. Would you want to like?
Speaker 2:would you want to hear the answers to the questions like I don't know if I'd want to ghost hunt it, I just want to see it. I don't know if I'd want to bring an EVP or cameras or anything like that. I think I'd just want to see it, all right.
Speaker 1:So no ghost hunting.
Speaker 2:Let's not ghost hunt this one. No, all right.
Speaker 1:So a scale of one to ten. How freaked out would you be in the dark in Piripette? Ooh.
Speaker 2:You know, this might be in the dark, might be a little creepier than usual, because I'm assuming there's no street lights, car lights, house lights, lights of any other kind, so it's probably like very dark. Um, that that might creep me out, I guess. I don't know what the number would be, and not because I'm thinking there's ghosts coming or anything, but I just think that level of darkness would be kind of creepy in general.
Speaker 1:So are you saying like a seven?
Speaker 2:Yeah, we'll go with seven, sure, alright, very cool. And so are you saying like a seven.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we'll go with seven, sure, all right, all right, very cool. And what would it take for you to say something is haunted, whether it's this or anything else? I'm curious. I want to know this. Like would it have to happen right in front of your face and have no other logical explanation?
Speaker 2:I've been wanting to know this for the entirety of this show, so I figured today would be a great day to ask it I don't know, because I feel like I would always try and discount it somehow, like if I saw a shadowy figure pass by the wall I would say, well, I don't, that could have been car lights going by, and we don't know. We're not going to be able to prove that and I'm not sure I, you know, didn't document it or something. And you hear a creak sound. As an example, squirrels will run up the side of our house we've got stucco, they can walk up the.
Speaker 2:It sounds creepy if you're in here and don't know what it is right you know on the inside. But the first time I heard that I was like what the heck? And then I saw, I was outside and saw a squirrel running up the side. I was like that must be it, you know. And so, in the same way, even something that creepy sounding it's not that I'm gonna say that was a ghost, it's that that could have been this, it could have been that. I don't know yet. Okay, so this is a long-winded say, a winded way of saying I don't know really because, like sounds, I would always accredit as something else like.
Speaker 2:So that's a like, literally manifest in front of your face, to be like hi gw, I'm real I don't, I don't know, I guess like it's so, so, uh, uh, slimer right is you know, in front of me, even and here's the thing even then I would say gosh, I was tired, I was just about to go to sleep, I could have been hallucinating. I don't know what that was, and um, I, ah, geez, I, I guess I'm saying I don't know, oh so, uh, your logical mind yeah, I mean, let me put it this way nothing I've seen thus far has made me say I saw a ghost that day.
Speaker 2:You know, or heard it, because again, like especially again here, weird sound might be a squirrel on the outside of the house. Weird sound might be. I mean when the washer kicks in it sounds like a thud downstairs, but once you realize it's the water pipes, suddenly no big deal. You know right I get it.
Speaker 1:I'm just saying like now I kind of hope we're all doing something and it goes, pops up, hi dw. Well, you're like I don't have to go all the way to to ukraine for that, so I know well, yeah, so we went to ukraine, dw. What'd you think?
Speaker 2:it was, um, you know this, in terms of the places we've quote, gone just because every road trip with you is, um, so incredibly disappointing. Um, this is the one that I would want to see, but not because of paranormal, paranormal reasons. I've, you know, ever since I've I've wanted to see this site for years. I've really wanted to go, but again, not because I thought there'd be ghosts, just because I thought it'd be kind of cool to see. You know what this place looked like? I don't know. Yeah, before.
Speaker 1:Well, you see pictures of what it looked like before. Now you see the after and it's like whoa, you know what I mean? It's crazy. Yeah, all right. Well, that was that, and you know this. Usually at this point we we usually say, hey, where can people find you? But we already did that at the beginning of the episode, so now I guess it guess it's time for this or that.
Speaker 2:All right, so I guess, it's my turn.
Speaker 1:That's right, because last week it was my turn I did it, and it was a good one, and it had nothing to do with food really All right.
Speaker 2:All right, you ready for this or that?
Speaker 1:I am Thank you for asking.
Speaker 2:So polite you always see? Have you noticed listeners? Have you noticed that it takes a good five minutes from the start of John saying we're going to do this or that to him actually asking the first question. Because he has to explain it and he has to like prepare them, like okay, joe, are you ready? He's like preparing someone for surgery, yet all he's doing is asking them superficial questions.
Speaker 1:It's good, anyway.
Speaker 2:Okay, let's stop wasting time, all right. Chocolate or vanilla, oh shit, that's the one I prefer out of those two. You want Chocolate, chocolate Having a barbecue. Do you want brat or burger Burger? Okay, you've perfected your time machine. Do you want to travel to 1825 or 2225?
Speaker 1:Oh, travel to 1825 or 2225?
Speaker 2:1825.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah.
Speaker 2:It's weird. I've noticed that most people say 1825 because they're if they're in to the paranormal, they want the old West stuff. We did have someone who said I know about 1825. I want the old west stuff. We did have someone who said I know about 1825. I want to see what happens. But most people have said backwards but anyway, do you want to fight with a lightsaber or a magic wand?
Speaker 1:Lightsaber Day one Lightsaber.
Speaker 2:Mozart or Led Zeppelin.
Speaker 1:Really, really. Mozart or led zeppelin, really, uh, like what, like what I would listen to. I'm gonna listen to led zeppelin, okay, six days out of the week, but and mozart there might. There might be that one day where I'm like you know what, throw in some Mozart. Okay, what's going?
Speaker 2:on Ghost Hunt with the Ghostbusters or Scooby-Doo in the game.
Speaker 1:Son of a bitch. I think I'm going to go Scooby-Doo this time. I think I hit Ray and Egon last time, but I think we're going to go with Scooby doo Cause we're going to. We're going to, we're going to get some edibles, we're going to eat, eat them up, and then we're going to get some edibles, cause you know we'd like to eat. So we've got stuff.
Speaker 2:All right, sweet or salty. Son of a bitch, I don't man Thing is. I know you need to be cutting off both, so it's a hard question.
Speaker 1:My sodium is not too well. I mean, whatever, we'll figure that out. My blood pressure was never that bad, so that's always a good thing. Well, not whatever. Whatever, we'll figure it out. My blood pressure was never that bad, so that's always a good thing. Well, not, whatever, that's fine. I want to go with salty. Yeah, salty.
Speaker 2:Is it better to sing in the shower or in the car?
Speaker 1:Shower Acoustics are amazing.
Speaker 2:Pet unicorn or pet dragon, oh Jesus, dragon Beach or pool Beach. Yeah, pet unicorn or pet dragon, oh Jesus, dragon beach or pool beach. Okay, love the beach. Yeah, I'm just wondering if now I have to change this up because so this is the last one, um alright, so this is the last one, um all right, dw serene or joseph stalin stalin that's just to get back at me. For every other question I've asked the guests.
Speaker 1:Black Mussolini.
Speaker 2:Dang it. That was my next one. I was going to do that next week.
Speaker 1:Let me see no, hold on. I don't think Stalin would be as fun on road gigs.
Speaker 2:Stalin, be as fun on road gigs. You really think that you're bringing Stalin with you to a comedy club.
Speaker 1:He's opening for me. He's going to get the crowd riled up.
Speaker 2:You have Joseph Stalin saying all right up. Next is John Olsen.
Speaker 1:Here's the thing I'm going to have to practice my, my, my set to dwight using all his hand gestures when he was banging the table.
Speaker 2:Oh gosh uh, anyway, I have a feeling. Here's the thing, though I, I, I'm, I am a uh, a cheaper comedian. I feel like joseph stalin would ask for a bigger cut of the track.
Speaker 1:No, so yeah, I think you know honestly, uh, I I like you, you're one of my favorite human beings. I only have two favorites. So I mean, um, one of us done a very big pool there, uh, recently, I recently had the thought of whether I should know more people or less, and I picked the latter.
Speaker 2:Um, make a new friend every 30 years, so yeah. Make a new friend every 30 years, so yeah.
Speaker 1:No, okay, I'll pick you. God, I'll be nice, I'll pick you.
Speaker 2:But here's the thing that was the Joseph Stalin slash John Olsen. But I can't say so. How could I have asked that? Because is the alternative that you're on the road by yourself? So would you rather be by yourself or with Joseph Stalin? I don't know Again. This is why it's hard to ask that question to you.
Speaker 1:It's hard, man, because if you go into a club, and what if the emcee sucks? Then you're digging yourself out of a bigger hole. So you have a sucky emce MC, then Joseph Stalin, then you All right.
Speaker 2:So we have. Mussolini, Joseph Stalin and your headliner, John Olsen. Okay, yeah, that is the. And here's the thing. Imagine the audience that came to see Mussolini and Stalin. And now you're up and you have to make them laugh.
Speaker 1:I know.
Speaker 2:Good job.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, if I can get 50% of the crowd. That's all I need.
Speaker 2:And maybe you're doing the show at Chernobyl. Oh no, and here's the thing. Normally you have Clubs will have a certain time. You need to be out of there With Chernobyl. You need to be done in an hour and a half, otherwise radiation kicks in. Oh that's true, we don't want to stick around for too long.
Speaker 1:No, we would have to get the hell out. Yeah, all right. Well, okay, dw, do you have anything else for our friends?
Speaker 2:So we've already done everything. We've told them where we find us. We told them we did this or that find us. We told them we did this or that. We returned from our 16 hour flight. So we're back.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're good to go. Alright. Well, that has been the Ukraine. We'll be back next week with a guest and you're going to love it, I guarantee you. I don't know who it is, I can't remember, but anyway we'll be back. Oh no, yeah, you'll love it, but I can't say. I can't say but you'll love it, you'll figure it out.
Speaker 1:Just give a tidbit, a little clue as to don't say who it is, but one thing it is a very, very, very haunted place that it's been on very, very venue like a lot of shows and documentaries and, um, a very famous paranormal investigator from the east coast been there and she couldn't even be in the house for very long. So, wow, okay, yeah, just throwing it out there. Alright, guys. Well, you know what that means, dw, alright. Yep, it means that you guys have been amazing, we have been amazing, we have been Scalarius. We are out Later.