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Ep. 70 Ghost Whispers & Gunslinger Genes: The Outlaw Psychic
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The moment Melissa McCarty joins our conversation, we're thrust into a world where the veil between the living and dead is remarkably thin. Introducing herself as the "Outlaw Psychic," Melissa immediately captivates with spine-tingling stories that blur the boundaries between history, the supernatural, and family legacy.
From her rest home in Oregon where she's recovering from multiple near-death experiences that amplified her abilities, Melissa recounts her first ghostly encounter at just three years old—confronting and banishing a malevolent spirit threatening her infant sister. This early display of strength against supernatural forces set the tone for a lifetime of extraordinary psychic experiences. She explains how her brush with death—surviving two heart attacks, a stroke, and two flat lines—has only strengthened her connection to the spirit world, allowing her to see ghosts with such clarity that she often cannot distinguish them from the living.
But what truly distinguishes Melissa's story is her remarkable heritage. Through meticulous genealogical research, she discovered her biological connection to Wild West legends like Billy the Kid, Jesse James, and lawman Wyatt Earp. This "outlaw blood" runs deep—she recounts chilling moments when the spirits of these historical figures entered her life, including a terrifying encounter with Pat Garrett and other lawmen whose eyes glowed red as they pointed their weapons at her. Most astonishing is her claim that in a past life, she was Billy the Kid's first wife, with marriage records from 1871 to support this connection.
Melissa's psychic abilities extend beyond personal experience. She details her work with law enforcement, including helping solve multiple cases with information she received through psychic impressions. From witnessing murder scenes replayed in spiritual form to helping fellow rest home residents cross over after death, her abilities serve both the living and the dead.
Whether you're a believer in psychic phenomena or a curious skeptic, Melissa's colorful life story—filled with outlaw ancestry, ghostly encounters, and near-death experiences—offers a fascinating glimpse into a world most of us never see. Explore more of her extraordinary journey across her social media channels or through her upcoming books on shamanism and her life as the Outlaw Psychic.
Do you like stories about haunted locations, or maybe tales of cryptids and spooky folklore from around the world? If so, why not tune in to Haunted Escapes with Chris and Diane, where all this and more will be discussed? New episodes drop every Sunday, the visual versions the following Friday on YouTube. So why not come join us on our haunted escapes YouTube? So why not come join us on?
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Speaker 3:What's going on? This is Scalarius, I am John Olsen and with me, as always, is DW, the DW Serene.
Speaker 4:Here we go.
Speaker 3:You didn't even. It didn't even happen.
Speaker 4:I know it didn't.
Speaker 3:You notice that I did not do anything stupid, I just said your name twice yeah, why did you need to do that? I don't know, I just, I just felt it'd be fun.
Speaker 4:So yeah, go ahead no, I'm uh what's going on oh, not much.
Speaker 3:What are you drinking there, buddy?
Speaker 4:so today we've got another, uh, hard mountain dew. Nice um this one. Where's the flavor?
Speaker 3:another baja blast pineapple I was gonna say it looks like, uh, I, I can see you, it's a yellow can so yellow yeah, actually, and I should have said pine, because I think there is a just regular baja blast thisast.
Speaker 4:This is Baja Blast Pineapple.
Speaker 3:Gotcha All right, cool, very good DW.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And the listeners of Scholaris. You need to know something.
Speaker 4:Okay.
Speaker 3:This is probably going to be an ongoing thing. This is probably going to be an ongoing thing. I may have one every once in a while, but my days of THC beverages consuming on the show is gone. What, yeah, how come? Well, it just so happens, my friend, that obviously, as you know, you probably listened to last week I went over some medical stuff with everybody, you know, because I went to a doctor. How about that Am I?
Speaker 4:right, yeah, some people do that.
Speaker 3:And things were a little high. My lipids right were sky high. It may have been because I wasn't fasting or anything like that before Things were a little high.
Speaker 3:My lipids right were sky high. It may have been because I wasn't fasting or anything like that before, but better to be safe than sorry, right? So I just feel at my age it's time to like take a look at the saturated fats in certain foods, sugars in certain foods and stuff like that. And it turns out that the THC drinks that I was drinking a whole hell of a lot of, were talking. I might have had one or two during an episode, but I was still drinking them, you know, not during episodes, like just drinking them, plus, you know, eating gummies and edibles and whatever. Just who? Uh, it turns out they're just chock full of sugar and because they were chock full of sugar, obviously that's going to make your triglycerides and everything raise up and we can't have that right now and I wholeheartedly disagree with this. But there was a study that was conducted on people who use a lot of THC and that they are higher percentages to get heart disease. Like I said, I wholeheartedly disagree with that because I know for a fact you know Kevin Smith.
Speaker 3:Yeah, if he wasn't high when he had his heart attack he would have been dead Like it was legit. So I don't I disagree, but I'm'm just gonna cut back a little bit, not on edibles and things like that, but I'm gonna stop drinking the drinks like I had been drinking. I might have a couple, but the there you're gonna hear at the beginning of the episode is not gonna be me drinking a THC drink. I will be most likely drinking water or some sort of watery beverage.
Speaker 4:So well, and I not knowing the details of the study, I'm guessing part of it is maybe not so much the THC of the drink, but everything else that goes in it. Yeah, so like say, for instance, mine, you know it's a hard Mountain Dew Well, actually, this one's zero sugar, so this isn't a good example. But I'm just trying to think of, like, say, you have a beverage like mine, it's not so much the alcohol, it's everything else that goes with it, right?
Speaker 3:and I just, uh, I happen to look at some of the recent ones that I've had, and they were 40 and 50 grams of sugar per right, right so so again, again, not, maybe not.
Speaker 4:I mean, I'm sure the thc might play some part in that, but if you've got whatever plus 50 grams of sugar, yeah, not so good yeah so, but don't worry guys, it's not like I'm not ingesting thc in some form.
Speaker 3:Um, I I do have edibles and I'm eating them, so it is that I'm just not going to be doing the drinks for now.
Speaker 4:So you know another thing. I know it's not quite related, but kind of in the same way. I, a couple years ago now, got a vitamix. By the way, they're fantastic. That was when I started looking at the, because the half pretty much half the reason I got one is to make soup with it. You can make hot soup with a Vitamix and it blew me away. I was like I gotta see this. I started looking at the labels of canned soup at the store, yeah, and I never realized how much sodium is in those things, like there's some, even the ones that are, you know, claimed to be healthy and you know, organic and stuff like that progressive uh right, what a progresso, right?
Speaker 3:not progressive and not progressive is the insurance.
Speaker 4:Yeah, um, but some of them are like almost your entire daily intake of sodium. It's like almost 100 sodium so you can.
Speaker 3:you can down two cans and it'd be like 100 calories. But you're right, you're going to be bloated for the next four days anyway. So I mean so shout out to Vitamix.
Speaker 4:Ever since I got one. I can't remember the last time I had, you know, a can of soup like it, and not to mention the taste. Do you have a taste of fresh soup? It's like oh my gosh, I didn't realize. This is what tomato soup is supposed to taste like, and just so everybody knows.
Speaker 3:Look at your labels on your food. Yeah, look at the saturated fat on your food, especially the stuff that's um, I, I shout out to halo top. It has the best ice cream on the face of the planet, I feel. It's low calorie, it's great, right, the saturated fat is through the freaking roof. So, uh, halo top is not going to be something I'm going to be having, for you know a lot of it. So myself and the queen consort, we've been looking at different things to kind of still so we can still have food that we want to have, but, you know, make it to where, uh, my the cholesterol goes down, the saturated fat goes down, things like that. And one of those is homemade ice cream that you make from fair life uh, milk which is high protein, milk with oh with some sugar-free pudding mix and ice in xanthan gum, which is something that they put in ice cream anyway so you
Speaker 3:can you, could, you can get it and you know whatever. So, uh, yeah, good stuff, all that, all that good stuff, and we're just gonna mix it all up and do whatever we can with it and yeah. So uh just wanted to make that little, I guess, announcement. It took about five minutes, uh, to let you guys know that I'm not drinking the thc drink, not going to be doing it for a little bit. May have one every once in a while, but it's not going to be every episode. So, sorry, guys, if anybody was interested in what kind of drink I was having today, it's from our friends at the awesome Quick Trip in Minnesota. Uh, you know, minnesota, wisconsin, iowa, all those guys, maybe even some of michigan not 100, sure, uh, nature's touch grape water, which is, uh, yeah, that's it's, it's a good little thing plus regular old water, water so that's so if you if you all of a sudden become less interesting in these episodes.
Speaker 4:That's why because you had to stop your.
Speaker 3:That's funny. I like that less interesting. Yeah, like nobody we have. We have done 70 freaking episodes dw and not a single person has ever said john is my favorite, so let's just throw that out there.
Speaker 3:Okay, just just saying, um, based on the fact we've done 70 episodes, uh, you know, I don't know. We, we, we've, we, we've tried different things. You know like we, you know we tell people, you know where to get merch and stuff like that which is like at crowdmadecom forward slash collections, forward slash sclarious pod where you can get like our t-shirts, cups, hats, uh, what else? Oh, dog leashes, dog, uh collars, dog bowls, or it could be gap bowls, it could be ferret bowls if you want it to be All that really good stuff that's at crowdmadecom forward slash collections, forward slash ScolariusPod or just go to Crowdmade and search Scolarius. You can do that.
Speaker 3:We've been telling all these people this stuff for this long. Also, we've been saying like, hey, you know, we're gonna do this whole like subscribe thing and when you subscribe we're gonna give you extra content. That's coming, by the way. You act like it's not coming. You act like it's not, it's coming. Pretty, one of these days you're gonna have an episode on there. It's gonna say subscriber only and you're gonna be like what the hell am I gonna do? I can't do anything because I'm not a subscriber. So you might want to get on it and subscribe. It's only three dollars a month. I mean, you know, just do that right there on on buzzsprout. I'm just I'm just saying it's, it's coming, I guarantee you it's coming fast, biggity anyway.
Speaker 3:And another thing you might be doing, just, you know, shooting the breeze. Another thing you might be doing is wondering what myself and DW are doing. Like you know, maybe you're wondering this when you're listening to the episode. Or maybe you're home alone at night eating your Halo Top or probably Ben Jerry's, and you're like, hey, I wonder what DW's doing. You know, I wonder what John's doing. Well, you can find out, but first you should go to DW, dw Serene Comedian on Facebook. You can go to me at John Olsen Comedian 2.0 on Facebook. You can find us both together on Facebook not a couple.
Speaker 3:But no, we are not a couple. You can find us at the Scolarius page also. We do have a TikTok, it's called Scolarius 8 yeah, and Instagram. You can find us at the scolarius page also. We do have a tiktok, it's called scolarius eight, yeah, and. And instagram, also a scolarius. And if you want to just message us, just, you know, throw out something. Say hey, john is my favorite, john, for once. Say john, john is my favorite of the cogos. Say john is my favorite.
Speaker 3:You can do that by going to scolari's pod at gmailcom or, if you wanted to, and only if you wanted to, no pressure, you can listen to every single episode that we have. Yeah, at scolari's pod dot buzzsproutcom. You can do that, can't they? Dw? Yep, they can.
Speaker 3:Um, you know, I was thinking we, uh, we're gonna have a couple weeks here, we're, we're not gonna have a guest, okay, two in a row actually, and that's gonna be okay, that's gonna be fine. Uh, because you know, me, me and dw, we have we things we can talk about. Right, right, right, buddy, we do, yeah, of course we do, and that's what we're going to be doing Specifically next week when we talk about haunted hotels. That's right, it doesn't matter where the hotel is. It's going to be haunted?
Speaker 3:I don't know, probably not, but I'm just saying it's going to be haunted hotels, covering, well, not all of them. I can't cover all of them because that's just ridiculous. There's so many haunted hotels, there's a lot of them, but we're going to cover a few, and some of them are going to be right here in this great state of Minnesota, and you know some, obviously outside, some famous that you know, you might know Some you might not know, okay, and then, and then we are going to do an episode on hauntings of ukraine, which does cover chernobyl, by the way.
Speaker 3:That's pretty bad okay all right, I'm going to go back to my Queen Consort's ancestries right there in Chernobyl. You know what I'm saying you know what I mean?
Speaker 4:Yeah, maybe, no, I know what you mean.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know what I mean? It's a joke. Not this, but the joke I tell.
Speaker 3:I can't get that for free, you gotta pay. All right, the joke. I tell what? I'm right. Yeah, yeah, I remember, I can't get that for free, you gotta pay. Um, oh, all right. Well, I suppose that was a horrible lead into to this, but I mean, why not? Uh, our guest this week is just, I mean, honestly, pretty amazing. Uh, she has a lot of titles, a lot of titles, and I'm just gonna go through a few of them. Okay, psychic medium, energy healer. Uh, background actress for western films, which is Also a shamanic ancestor. Okay, and, and, and the one and only Outlaw Psychic. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome Melissa McCarty. Melissa, how are you today, melissa? How are you today, melissa? How are you today? Melissa's not here with us today, apparently. It's okay, we're going to pause for dramatic effect. Yeah, that's what it is. That was a great lead-in too. That was a great intro, don't you?
Speaker 4:think Well, she's got a lot of credentials to read.
Speaker 3:Yeah, she does, and everybody's gone. They all left. There was several Several Melissa's there in a row and now there's not a single Melissa, but hopefully she will be back really soon. You know, this is okay. So a little bit of sclerosis here. We do this show, we do this show. We do it live to tape. Okay, so when you're doing things live to tape, anything can happen, and unfortunately connectivity issues is one of them. And guess what happened?
Speaker 4:We lost. Oh wait, just as I was about to say that, we see an image come back on.
Speaker 3:There's an image, but is there an audio? We need to know, inquiring minds Need to know there we go, there we go, okay so.
Speaker 5:Sorry about that Signal dropped.
Speaker 3:It's alright. Again, I'm going to ask this. Like I said, this is great. This is why I love live to tape, because anything can happen, and that's what happened. So, melissa McCarty, how are you tonight?
Speaker 5:Hey, I'm good. I'm good, I can't complain.
Speaker 3:Okay, okay, you can't complain, but will you?
Speaker 5:I don't know Depends on what we're talking about.
Speaker 3:Well, we're here to talk about you. That's the fun thing, um, you know you're, you're, you're here and, yeah, might as well dive deep if we can, if we can. So you have a lot of credentials.
Speaker 5:Tell us about it. Well, this is my 67th podcast appearance, obviously, and in fact I counted them up today and I realized today is my 67th appearance on a podcast, so I'm really actually very excited. I've got a new podcast coming up with one of my friends. She's a tarot reader, I'm a psychic medium and we're doing, um, basically a podcast around um, things that like mysteries, if you will, that are very much you know, almost unsolved, if you will like. The thing with Gene Hackman. I picked up on some information that has been verified through the media. Every time I turn around they're saying something I'm going. I knew that ahead of time. Uh-huh, I knew that ahead of time. I knew that ahead of time, you know, and there are some details I can't talk about right now that we're kind of going to pick up on in the podcast, but this is going to really interest some people. No, I don't feel that it was natural causes, folks. I truly don't. I'm sorry.
Speaker 5:And that will prove out in the podcast. We'll be discussing that further. And, by the way, you said something about Hyatt Hotels. I love the St James. The St James is my home away from home. I love that place Down in Simarang, New Mexico, great outlaw hideout place. All my ancestors in spirit come there to rendezvous. Even in life they did. They went there to gamble and rendezvous and all that they still do in spirit. They're still there.
Speaker 3:That's awesome, I love it. We may cover St James, but I don't think it's going to be there. It's a possibility we might touch on it, but the St James we'll cover most definitely is going to be in Red Wing, minnesota.
Speaker 5:Because that's quite haunted. Uh, I want to say james timero, new mexico. That is my home away from home.
Speaker 3:Love y'all so I want to touch a little bit on on gene. Okay, that's weird, okay, but I I want to go back to gene hackman for a second. Uh, yes, great, great actor Was in some great movies. Royal Tenenbaums is wonderful, obviously the French Connection, but I know him as the greatest criminal mind of all time. Lex Luthor, oh, Lex Luthor yeah, and he will always be my Lex Luthor, and rest in peace, gene Hackman, I know heuthor, yeah, and he will always be my Lex Luthor, and you know rest in peace, Gene Hackman.
Speaker 5:I know he's 94. Absolutely Rest in peace, bud.
Speaker 3:He's 94 years old. People are like how did he die? He's 94. I mean, come on.
Speaker 5:I mean I understand, like you know, yeah, he didn't have long to go anyway, yeah, yeah. Yeah, there might have been other issues and everything, but still he, you know he was, he was older, um, so it brings up an interesting comment.
Speaker 3:You said that the st james in new mexico. New mexico, hi guys, I love you. So, uh, you said that's your home, away from home. Where is your home?
Speaker 5:well, right now I'm in beaverton o and I'm living in a rest home. I'm paralyzed from the waist down. My family put me here because I was to a point I couldn't take care of myself. And now I'm kind of to the point of where I'm starting to get used to this and I've got diabetes too, kidney disease, pancreatitis oh my God, I've got so many different things. Uh, uh, neuropathy, the whole thing. I was in the hospital for seven months. I kicked uh, diabetic coma, pancreatitis, kidney disease, hep C, had a stroke yeah, stroke. Two heart attacks, two flat lines, a seizure, all that stuff. And I kicked all that. And I'm still here.
Speaker 3:Jeez, oh yeah, that's badass. Good job, good job, kicking it.
Speaker 5:And now I'm just battling the diabetes too, which I'm trying to kick that right now I'm trying to kick the neuropathy. Uh, that's not working too well, unfortunately, but you know well, I'm sorry to hear about all your problems.
Speaker 3:That that is uh, but I'm glad you're doing, you're doing okay with with a good portion of it. So, um, I I have a couple questions. Number one yeah, you're, you're a psychic medium, so therefore, does it did any of your experiences with any of that stuff? I mean, it's multiple strokes, multiple heart attacks, all that did that. Um, no, it's just one stroke and two heart attacks. Um, all that Did that increase your?
Speaker 5:No, it was just one stroke and two heart attacks and two flat lines, one more flat line than ever. My family, said that I had died and all that. Well, my family said I died, but I came back. I said well, you made me come back. I don't know why y'all made me come back, but you made me come back. I didn't want to come back, you were supposed to let me go.
Speaker 3:That was like my time, you know. Oh well, that's a way to look at it.
Speaker 5:I guess I told him look when it's my time, it's my time.
Speaker 3:Let me go, you know, Wow. So did any of that stuff increase your psychic abilities at all?
Speaker 5:Yes, yes, while I've been here, I've had a ghost literally walk twice, two times walk straight through my room and yes, I saw it both times. Wow, yes, I heard it both times Wow.
Speaker 3:Yes, I heard it both times Mm-hmm. Okay, so I was just going to say if you're in a rest area, not a rest area, that's horrible. Rest home. You're in a rest home, yeah. It would be a horrible time, like that would be a horrible place to live. By the way is a rest area, but anyway, so you're in a rest home and I'm assuming, uh, there are people in the older generation there that are.
Speaker 5:yes, yes, some of them. In fact we've had two residents pass since I've been here. Um one of them I actually helped to cross. You know, I heard the death rattle. I literally heard one of the residents. I heard the death rattle and you'll know the death rattle because it'll go. You know kind of a rattling in their throat area and I heard the death rattle, physically heard it, and I said it's okay to go, don't be afraid. Your loved ones are waiting, you're okay, you're safe. Oh, and he left. He just went and I'm glad he went peacefully. He went in his sleep, so that was good. Uh, his last couple three weeks before he left was not good. He was scared and I mean terrified, and I had to literally talk to him and say look, it's okay, I've been to where you're going.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I actually crossed out of my body two times previous to this time wow and I told him look, I've been where you're going, it's okay, you don't have to be afraid anymore, you don't have to be scared. Your loved ones are waiting, you are safe, you're okay, you know.
Speaker 3:So I talked him over um, okay, so your, your psychic abilities, you know you're able to talk to spirits, you're able to talk people over into the spirit realm, things like that. Um, so that, so that hinges more towards the mediumship of the old. So I have to ask this you have had psychic abilities. You have said for 45 years, right?
Speaker 5:Yes, actually it's been all my life 45 and 48 years, because everything kind of started. When I was three years old I saw my very first ghost, and I mean ghost. 48 years, because everything kind of started when I was three years old I saw my very first ghost, and I mean ghost.
Speaker 3:Wow, and where was that? Was that at your house?
Speaker 5:That was at my childhood home in Northridge California. I remember like it was yesterday. The thing was like dark. I mean, this was like a dark spirit had a veil over the coast from head to toe and it was like really it was weird and it tried to go after my infant sister. I said, oh no, you don't. No, uh, uh, uh, see, play in that game. No, no, no, no. So I said no, get out, out, out, out, go leave, get out of my house. You're not welcome here. You are not wanted. Get out now. And it left damn.
Speaker 3:I mean, I can see why I'm I'm terrified, I I think I want to leave right now. Um, not really, no, I'm just saying you, you did it's convincing, you, you did well. Um, so was it a ghost? That was not nice is, or what is it?
Speaker 5:I don't know, because it took the basket oh well, this one's gonna be a fun one, dw, because it took the best.
Speaker 3:Uh-oh, this is going to be a fun one, dw. Holy moly, this is going to be good People are going to.
Speaker 4:She might be back already.
Speaker 3:We have way too many Sopranos moments in this thing, not this thing in general, sorry.
Speaker 5:Anyway, sorry, my thing dropped out again. Um, it took the basket that my parents had on the end of their bed for my then infant sister. No, you're not welcome here, get out. If you're going to do this to try to make us afraid you're not succeeding, you're not welcome here, get out, get out, get out, get out, get out, leave, be gone. Goodbye, you know. And it never came back.
Speaker 3:I wish I would have done that, because I grew up in a haunted house and I didn't do that. I just hid under my covers and then ran away from the lady.
Speaker 5:You can actually, if you don't want a spirit, if you don't want a spirit around you, you can tell it leave, get out, don't come back. And do it convincingly, be really. You have to really be strong to do this, but you know, yeah.
Speaker 3:Wow, we got to like okay. So, first of all, I want to throw this back, because you know, this is a paranormal comedy podcast and I can't, if I'm not going to make little jokes and whatever about anything, then where's the comedy in that? So right, I want to say this uh, if I were you and you're going to continue to do podcasts, I would tell whatever rest home you're in to get a freaking wi-fi booster for you, because, like it's, whatever's happening is that I can't, unless it's just our podcast that is happening too. I don't know, it's not, it's not it's everyone that I do.
Speaker 5:I try and get it to a point in my room where you know it's like you know it's the strongest signal I can get you know.
Speaker 2:And I don't want to go out there because it's too much noise you know, right, I got you.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you might want to open a window and put your phone on it. I yeah, you might want to open a window and put your phone on it. I don't know. Yeah, I don't have a window in here I can do that with, unfortunately. Okay, yeah, that's probably part of the reason, all right, so I want to dive into a little bit about your other stuff. Obviously, the mediumship. So we've had plenty of mediums on here, plenty. We've had a few. We've had a of mediums on here. We've had a few.
Speaker 3:We've had a few mediums on here and everybody says that everybody could have this gift as being a medium, which you know I'm skeptical on, but, dw, did you hear that I'm skeptical on it. So, but I have to ask this is your gift, the mediumship, uh, so in tune, that you cannot tell, because I'll get back to this, but you that you can't tell if it's a real person or a dead person, or I shouldn't say a living person, exactly, yeah, no, I cannot tell the difference when I really something, I see it like.
Speaker 3:I see you yeah, well, that's I mean we can. I could be a ghost we don't know um, at least I know, but there is someone behind you.
Speaker 5:I'm sorry to fright. I don't mean to frighten you, but there is someone behind me.
Speaker 3:I just I mean it. It is what it is. I can't I mean good for that. As long as they're cool, I'm I'm cool with them, that's all yeah, no, no, they're just watching.
Speaker 5:They're cool, they're good sounds good to me.
Speaker 3:I'm not going to piss around with it because you know the Queen Consort would freak out and then we'd have to move. I don't want to do that.
Speaker 5:No, tell her there's nothing to worry about. You're safe, okay.
Speaker 3:She'll hear this maybe. I do say maybe.
Speaker 5:There's nothing to worry about. You are safe. Yes, there's someone behind you and I can see them.
Speaker 3:You can see them okay, so I need to know what they look like well, they're relatively tall, kind of somewhat thin.
Speaker 5:Uh, this seems to be a little bit of an older lady and um, she's standing like right over this shoulder. I don't know what that is to you, but anyway, um, yeah there, no, right there, that one, right there so you're left you're pointing at her, yeah it's a tall, thin woman kind of thin sort of um.
Speaker 5:She's got like a low, almost v-neck uh blouse on I don't know if this is v-neck, with like a higher color or something, with like darker color something and then a lighter color, but she's got kind of like a higher collar and her hair is pulled back. She's not of this era.
Speaker 3:She is not of this era let me ask you a question um is she older or is she younger? No, she's older how old would you say?
Speaker 5:um, I want to say maybe in about. She presents herself to me as like in her 50s or 60s. I'd say somewhere in there 50s or 60s. I don't know who this is to you. Yeah, she's got her hair pulled back, she's got darker hair and yeah, she presents kind of 50s or 60s somewhere in there.
Speaker 3:Is she? Wait, hold on. So do you think she's a family member?
Speaker 5:I think so. I think she's like an ancestor. Yeah, I want to say maybe late 1800s, early 1900s.
Speaker 3:You know I was going to say is she hot?
Speaker 1:But knowing that she's probably a family member, is probably not the best way of doing it. So you know I was sitting there. I was going to say is she?
Speaker 3:hot, but knowing that she's probably a family member, it's probably not the best way of doing it. So you know we've talked about spectrophilia before but you know it's probably not good if it's a ghost that is a family member.
Speaker 5:Sorry, but anyway, she's a relative, that's just. I can't respond.
Speaker 3:She's a relative, I'm welcome welcoming to any and all relatives. I want to come hang out with me, unless they're freeloaders, I don't't want that.
Speaker 5:No, no, this one's not a freeloader, this is an ancestor.
Speaker 3:Alright, very cool.
Speaker 5:This is absolutely not a freeloader. This is an ancestor. Your guides are around you real heavy too. I'm really feeling them.
Speaker 3:My guides. Okay, I'm digging this now. Angels ancestors yes, all right, hear me out just like me.
Speaker 3:You have a little bit of an army around you, so I mean I can see that, um, in a way, but guides, because I'm gonna be perfectly honest with you, I they might be hitting that thC just as much as I am Just just throwing it out there because, um, oh my God, my life has taken not very good. I mean, they were those paths that were, that were walked, were not, were not fun. So I mean, if they were my guys.
Speaker 5:Well, we never, ever walk a straight line path.
Speaker 3:It's never straight line. Believe me, I'm kind of interested in this. Now, to be honest with you, this might turn into the to the melissa vicarney john show, because dw's over there all.
Speaker 4:But here I I'm interested in this because you know well, it's me she started with hey, you've got someone behind you, and then you know, I know it works out, it's fine, so don't do me, by the way, my yeah my wife is even less understanding than than john's so maybe, yeah, well it doesn't matter we all have.
Speaker 5:We all, we all have ancestors, guides, angels around us at all times. All of us do.
Speaker 3:It doesn't matter who it is, we all do oh well, I mean I'm interested, Like honestly, I'm interested in mine because I'd like to know, like I mean I don't know. I'd like to know what they're thinking, because if they're guiding me, they they're not thinking clearly, most definitely.
Speaker 5:Well, they gave you this life, so be happy with it, okay.
Speaker 3:I'm cool with it, trust me, I'm. I'm fine with the life for for the most part. What I'd not like? To work incredibly hard every day and still make a lot of money, absolutely. But you know I'll do what I can do until then. Um, all right, so you're obviously your mediumship is pretty good. Um, tell me about your psychic abilities and your mediumship together. So, um, do you do anything or have you done anything for the police or anything like that?
Speaker 5:Yes, I have. I've actually done as many as four cases already. Well, there's actually more like eight of them now, but the three that are my biggest are going to be the Kit Carson co-op robbery, taos, new Mexico, that made the AP wire. The second that the co-op president said we've been robbed. I had to step outside because I was already getting downloads of information about the case and I had to leave just after they just let out. My then husband said you know that it's like look, we got to wait a little bit. I said no, this is not going to wait. I'm sorry, we've got to go and we have to go now. He's like you're sure. I said you ought to know me by now. Of course, yeah, we got to go, like now, like I'm receiving downloads of information about this, I've got to get home, write it all down, call the co-op president, call the police and say look, here's what's going down. If you need any other help, call me, call me, call me and they called you and then the Holy Cross, convent Fire and Murder case.
Speaker 5:I worked that one and I gave the information to law enforcement, did what I had to do. They never called me. Of course, a few weeks later there was some sort of something going on. I don't remember what it was now, but there was something going on and my husband well, my then husband and I were there and I actually met up with the chief of police. I said look, you're the police chief, right? He goes. Yeah, I goes. Well, you remember these two cases? He goes. Yeah, I goes. Well, guess what? That was my information that broke it.
Speaker 5:You should have seen the look on his face. It was absolutely priceless. I wish I'd have taken a photo. His eyes went wide, color drained from his face. Jaw hit the floor. He goes, that was you. I goes, mm-hmm. He said well, you do know, the DA bungled the case in the co-op robbery. I goes.
Speaker 5:When I found out the DA bungled the case, I was so mad, I was off, you know. I mean I was not a happy camper. And what was more, the lady well, I don't want to call her a lady exactly the suspect that actually started the whole thing with the co-op robbery. Guess what? I walked right past her and made eye contact with her. Yeah, not a pleasant feeling. Yeah, not a pleasant feeling.
Speaker 5:Wow, and about a year, year and a half later, the case information on both cases came out. My now ex-husband read the details to me. I sat there with my jaw on the floor just in shock, going what do you mean? I'm that good, what? No, that can't be possible. No psychic is ever that damn good Ever. I don't care what psychic it is. I only missed on one case three minor details. On the other, just one minor detail.
Speaker 5:And then when I went back to Holy Cross Convent after the fire to say goodbye, you know, pay my respect, say goodbye, you know all that I saw the young man that had been killed. I actually saw his spirit. Oh, yes, I did With a lady nun. She was African-American, full habit and everything. And in tears I asked are you ready to go? And this still breaks me up to this day, I'm sorry. And he said yes, yes, I said it's okay, we're going to be fine. We know you'll be watching over all of us. In spirit, we know it's okay to go. And I said, ma'am, you can take him over now, you can cross him, it's okay to go. And she nodded at me and they left and that was it wow, you saw that you were right there I was right there when it happened.
Speaker 3:Wow, how many people do you still kind of breaks me up to this day, you know I can tell. I'm sorry, that's uh.
Speaker 5:We wanted to give you a minute here because you know I could tell you're upset I mean I didn't want to know really anyone had murdered, but I knew. When I saw that spirit, I knew and I went to the police but I said, well, you have to know there's someone that's in that building that did not make it. And they're like how do you know? I'm like, I'm psychic, I just I know. This is just something I know and sure enough about. Like I said, about a year, year and a half later it came out in the paper and he found him. He found him. Wow.
Speaker 5:Unalived, found his body in the ashes. It turns out that three homeless people had gone into the basement, had a pizza party, alcohol, the whole thing, and two others that were with him stabbed him to death and unalived him. That's how he went. He was dead before the place started on fire, right oh yeah, In fact they burned the place to the ground to cover up the murder.
Speaker 3:And you saw this. Yeah, wow, we had a guest a few, probably a few months back now, um that she was a medium and she said that she could see a murder that happened over and over and over again in a certain spot, like so basically on replay, but she could see it over. Remember that dw, it was colleen, right, it was um medium red.
Speaker 5:So yeah, yeah, yeah, um, I've seen that happen. There was a place I was working at in arizona. It was real, real, real late and I was, you know, working on the uh silverware, and it was at a restaurant that was a historic building and there were two spirits that were fighting, I mean literally fighting each other, and it just it made me so uncomfortable and one beat the other literally to death, to death and hold up.
Speaker 3:If you're already a ghost and you get beat to death, are you? What do you mean?
Speaker 5:they were reliving that moment over and over again, you see what I'm saying yeah, yeah, no and it made me really uncomfortable. I told my boss look, this is what I'm seeing she's like. Well, how would you know? I said I'm a psychic medium, I just know this stuff. I've been doing this since I was three years old. This is making me really uncomfortable. Can I work in another room please, because I just I can't me really uncomfortable. Can I work in another room please, because I just I can't this energy is just I.
Speaker 3:I can't work like that. So let me ask you I I have to ask you this because I mean, it's obvious on at this point. Um, when you tell people you're a psychic medium and you you said it just very loudly you're like I'm a psychic medium. You said, you said it just very loudly. You were like I'm a psychic medium. You said, you said it to the cop. You said it's your boss there. Like what is the reaction when you say that?
Speaker 5:um, basically they're like well, for whatever reason, you're good, you know and they're like well, and the boss was like we've had people tell us that before and I said you mean, I'm right she goes, you're not only right, you're dead on, I go, oh whoa, Okay, yeah, I encountered in Tucson, arizona, the ghost of Frank Stilwell that was killed by none other than my cousin, wyatt Earp.
Speaker 3:Hold up Wait.
Speaker 5:Well let me tell you the circumstance. Let me tell you the circumstance. We were driving past the old train station and I knew nothing about that murder at the time. I knew nothing about it. No details, no, nothing. All I know is I encountered a very, very cold energy and I got the impression Frank Stilwell. I did not know who that was, didn't know anything about him, nothing. And then I come to find out later who it was and what the significance was. And then later on, a few years, I find out I'm related to Wyatt Earp. I go, oh okay, now things are adding up, making sense, pieces falling into place, okay, okay.
Speaker 4:That's crazy.
Speaker 3:Yeah, okay, that's crazy. What? Yeah, okay, how you have to. We can't skip this, because how are you related to Wyatt?
Speaker 5:Earp.
Speaker 3:He is my times nine great cousin biological so on your violet, okay, on your dad's side dad's side, dad's mom's mom's side, dad's mom's mom.
Speaker 5:Her family is extremely historic um any like all the outlaws known to history, all the lawmen practically known to history from the old west. They're all blood related to us, all of them wow all of them and I have genealogically researched this.
Speaker 3:It's all in my paperwork yeah, if anybody read the intro that I had, or listened, heard it before I was telling you I may not have said genealogist, but it's is there. So you're a genealogist. You look through all this stuff. Your family tree branches out to everybody. We're talking like Billy the Kid.
Speaker 5:Billy the Kid is my times nine great cousin, also biological. Jesse Woodson James is my great-great-grandfather and I found this out quite by accident actually, and there is a story behind this. I was looking online for something else. I don't remember what it was at the moment. I was looking for something on the computer at my grandmother's house and I happened upon my great-grandfather Joseph Henry Clark's information and I said where does this information look familiar? I've seen this somewhere before. So I goes okay, we can't find his family. So I look into Jesse James' tree and there's Jesse James Jr. I look at both of them, I start comparing those. Oh, there's Jesse James Jr. I look at both of them, I start comparing those. Oh, okay, now things are making sense, because when people would ask Grandpa Joseph Henry Clark about the family history, well, guess what? He would clam up, get very angry and not talk about it. And I can understand why. Now it's because why would he want to talk about that history? I? Don't know.
Speaker 5:And the records literally overlapped and my reaction was uh oh, I called my parents. I said you might want to see this, so this is my father's father's line, jesse's my father's father and everyone else is my father's mother, so yeah and then obviously you have the youngers and the daltons also on my father's father and, yeah, it's crazy, we have practically everyone.
Speaker 5:and I'm going to as an addendum to that um, I was in wyoming when I was living in cheyenne and I happened across the family trees of none other than bill hickok and calamity jane turns out bill hickok is actually related up the line to Jesse James.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Gosh, they're all related. That's crazy.
Speaker 5:That would be nuts, all of them, all of them were blood related to each other.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so what you're saying is being an outlaw is genetic.
Speaker 5:Very genetic.
Speaker 3:I wonder what my family lineage is, if I'm the way I am.
Speaker 5:You're going to have to look into that. You're going to have to look into that, I was told. I was told, and what really got me started on all this was I was told by an Apache elder spotted there love you, grandpa, spy bear and his wife. I was in Wyoming. They said you're Native American, look into it. I've had many an elder native, whether they be shamanic or whatever you know. I've had many a native elder. Tell me, by the way, you're native. It's like no, you could knock me over with a feather, really.
Speaker 5:And at the time I knew absolutely freaking nothing about it. So, age 21, I sit down with information, I type it into the computer, and then I sit down with information, I type it into the computer, and then I sit down and start praying. I said, look, if you want to be found, now's it. Now is it. Either I'm going to find you or not. If I don't, oh well, you know, c'est la vie. If I do, well, okay. And so I waited and waited and waited. About seemed like an eternity. There was only a few minutes. Out comes this entire huge tree and I'm going, wow. And I look a few pages back, sure enough, there's the native relation.
Speaker 3:They knew, the elders knew wow and see, like I don't. You know how I know what I know. It didn't involve anything with elders like that, for it was me and ancestrycom. But I will say this uh, I found out that on my father's side, like it's straight I mean not a straight line or anything, but it's, it is, doesn't branch out.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it does too branch. I was saying it's straight like there, nobody, nobody was out of norway, like you know, like it was like all the way up to. They traced it back to like 11 36. All norwegian right down there.
Speaker 5:Back to him, who now?
Speaker 3:that's my, uh, that's my father, my dad's side, my dad he's straight, or he, I think I. I think he's 50, he's 50, which makes me a quarter, I think, if, whatever but, um, yeah, he's, he was very north norrisian, uh, you know, so he.
Speaker 3:he didn't talk of the accent, but my, my, my grandfather, he did, you know. Oh, yeah, honey, one time he cut his thumb off sincerely with the lawnmower. He knocked on our door because he lived across the street from us. He knocked on our door and I answered it and he's like, and he had his thumb in his freaking hand In his other hand. Oh gosh.
Speaker 3:He was gangrene, he was like 80 at that time, probably years, you know, 75, whatever, but it was just, it was hilarious, he was a great guy, uh grandpa, he sounds great he was great, he was a great game and he'd say yeah I need to come over clean the bird baths and that's why I can can't see soggy bread I'll throw up.
Speaker 3:It's because of that, because they'd clean bird baths. He used to feed raccoons, and raccoons they need water to help it go down and slide down, or gullet. So he would give it bread or whatever and they'd go over to a bird bath and they'd dip the you know bird, uh, the uh bread in there and then they eat it. And then he'd have me come over and clean them out. And they were. If I even like soggy bread, if I even touch it, like or see it, it's, it's I will start, I'll start gagging. It's pretty bad. But anyway, enough with, not enough of my grandfather, but, um, I'm just, we need to move things along here. So I just wanted to ask you if you.
Speaker 3:You said that you were a shamanic ancestor, so obviously yes okay, so we know that shamans or shamans or whatever um, shamans or shamans or whatever um were like a straight conduit to uh spirituality in many, many straight conduit.
Speaker 5:Spirit, yes, um, worked with nature, worked with spirit, worked with, yeah, all of it I do all right.
Speaker 3:So, with that being said, I just assume that if you had shamanic ancestors, right, um, and they were in tune with spirits and things like that, I I, you know who am I to say that a shaman wasn't just a modern day or back then would be a modern day, psychic, right?
Speaker 5:so if that they, were what we are now okay.
Speaker 3:So I was gonna say, if that was the case, wouldn't that like gift or ability, like go down the bloodline or oh, yes, okay, I was gonna say, or does it like, does it jump?
Speaker 5:no, my okay. My parents and grandparents did not acknowledge their abilities, but I do because, well, for whatever reason, the ancestors came to me and said you're going to be a shaman. I goes okay, well, balls in y'all's court. You want it to happen, you do it. You make it happen. Here we are.
Speaker 3:Well, I mean, okay, fair enough, I just want to chat about this just for a few minutes. You were a psychic medium. What is the scariest thing you've ever seen? I just want to chat about this just for a few minutes. You were a psychic medium. What is?
Speaker 5:the scariest thing you've ever seen. Oh my God, it's not just what I've seen, it's what I've experienced. Okay, there are several very scary incidents. The first one, obviously, was the one that went after my then sister, okay, and then I was in um, arizona, working at what used to be a mortuary and funeral home, turned museum. Okay. As if that wasn't scary enough of a place, the mortician and funeral homeowner did not like women, and he particularly picked on me because, well, being female, just my luck and being able to see and hear him.
Speaker 5:Clearly he didn't like that too good either. We would go down to the basement to work with collections. He would stomp up the stairs behind me I go, do you mind? Do you know how incredibly rude you are? And all I hear behind me was laughter. I goes. Ah, no, I'm not putting up with that. Get gone Bye-bye.
Speaker 5:And what did he actually appear to me? I saw him like I see you. Oh yeah, he was very tall, thin, medium build, light eyes, sandy, blondish brown hair, like honey, blonde hair, mustache, tweed brown suit, brown leather shoes. And I saw him like I see you. I kind of read my, my boss was with me that day. I kind of read I goes, look, do you see what I see? She goes no, what's up there? I goes, look, look what is up there. Who is up there? I goes, that, I believe, is your mortician. She goes what you mean? You see him? I go, do I see him? I see him like I see you. Are you kidding me? Of course I see him. And he was just looking down at me.
Speaker 5:We locked eyes for what felt like the longest time. I'm like the longest time. I'm like, hi, you know, scared the out of me, yeah, and he would put his nasty, icy, cold hands on me. He did this to me twice before. I refused to ever work there again alone, okay. And he would scream in my ears get out, get out, I goes, okay, okay. Yes, sir, yes, sir, of course, of course. So I shut everything down, called my boss, said I gotta get out of here. I set the alarm, locked up and left. I just I, no, I'm not doing this alone, no more. No, I'm not, I'm done working here alone.
Speaker 5:They finally had to get someone in there to clean the place out. Unfortunately, they didn't include me in that. But yeah, I saw him, yeah, I felt him, yeah, I heard him. No, he's not nice. Yes, he's an asshole in spirit, so in life, so in death. You know what can you do? I also had a Native American spirit in the Native American artifacts room, literally run right straight, frickin' through me, mm-hmm, I could not stop shivering for about 30 to 45 minutes, and it was in the heat of summer. Yeah, imagine that, if you will.
Speaker 4:Hmm.
Speaker 5:And then I was at the courthouse turned museum, what used to be the house for the Santa Fe ring during the Lincoln.
Speaker 3:County, war years and the kid reference.
Speaker 5:Yes, and I was literally. I walked in, in, paid my money to go in there. I don't mind paying money, you know, to upkeep, because you know I'm big into historic preservation. I really love that. So I said you know what put this toward preserving this place? It needs to be preserved? And they said absolutely we'll do that.
Speaker 5:So I goes cool, right on, I walk in, I start to look around and I feel two hands on my shoulders. Somebody was behind me. So I turn around, look nobody there. So I continue about my business, you know, looking around, and these hands, literally my husband's, like come here. No, I can't right now, something's happening, hold on.
Speaker 5:And so, whatever this was, I couldn't shake him. I said look, get off me, I'm a tourist, I'm not doing nothing. I tried to wiggle away and nothing. Up the stairs and threw me physically, threw me into the room where they held or who they thought was Billy. No, it wasn't, I'll tell you that story later, but anyway, where they thought they were holding Billy. Well, anyway, they threw me. Whoever or whatever this was, threw me in that room, stopped me right at the little plaque that had his arrest record on it and I said, yes, I know I already have that in my collection, which I do. Anybody can get its public record New Mexico State Historical Society. Y'all can get it, no problem.
Speaker 5:I heard a noise. About 100 feet to my left I saw a swirling mass of black and red air. I goes oh, I thought something is about to go down and I don't like it. Well, out steps JW Bell, bob Olinger, bobby Olinger, as I call them, dumbass yeah, no, kidding. And Pat Garrett, all with their eyes, glowing red guns out of holster, trained right on me.
Speaker 5:I put my hands up. I go no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm not him, I am not Billy. No, no, no, no, you don't want this. I don't want this. I don't want this. No, no, no, no, you don't want this. I don't want this. You know, I don't want this. No, no, you've got the wrong person. I'm not him, I'm his cousin. And I'm worse. Yes, I am.
Speaker 5:And I slowly back out of the room to the doorway and then flew as fast as my feet would go down the hallway, flew down the stairs, grabbed my husband. I said we got to go. We got to go now. Now I'm serious, he goes, but I'm looking. I said look, we can come back later. Everything will still be here as it is. We can come back and look at it later. I don't mind paying more money. That's not the problem. We got to go now. Now, and he goes are you sure I go? I'm like deadly sure. Yeah, I'm like beyond sure. Sure, come on, let's go now. So we get in the truck, he goes. What's wrong? I'm out of breath. At this point. I'm just, I'm wheezing. I'm so far out of breath and I said you'd never believe me if I told you this. Oh my God, you know. And that literally scared the living daylights out of me. I mean, you'd be scared too if that happened.
Speaker 3:You know, I'd be excited, I'd be asking for autographs.
Speaker 5:I'd be like Billy, not me, oh, hell, no, uh, uh, uh, uh, no, no, no, no. When their eyes are glowing red like that, you don't ask for autographs. You get the hell out of there.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 5:When their eyes are glowing, I mean glowing red. I mean there's no eyeballs, no pupils, no nothing, it's just red. And I'm there's no eyeballs, no pupils, no nothing, it's just red. And I'm going, I'm watching those pistols. I'm like looking at their pistols, I'm keeping my eyes on them real closely. I'm like no, no, no, no, no, I don't want this, I don't want this, you don't want this, we don't want this. This is not the way to do this. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You know.
Speaker 3:I get it. I'm sorry. I would still ask for Pat Garrett's. I would ask for his autograph, and then what I would do is I would ask for Billy's autograph and then I'd ask for.
Speaker 5:Billy hangs out with me, by the way. Oh okay, why? Because historically, historically, I was his first wife. Yes, I was his first wife. Yes, I was. I have all the genealogical records, I have all the photos and everything to prove everything.
Speaker 3:So your past life, my past life, yes, he had a wife.
Speaker 5:Yes, he was married February 11, 1871. Puerto de Luna, New Mexico. I've been to the place. It happened and I have a photo of it too, and I have the marriage record to prove it Damn. And the family story in the family book to back that up on top of it. Mm-hmm, family story in the family book to back that up on top of it. And I've met my descendants, all of whom claim it is the absolute truth.
Speaker 3:I don't know what to say. That's crazy I'm. I have a question, just one. It might not have anything to do with what you just said. Is that person still behind me? Mmhmm oh yeah she's just hanging out watching.
Speaker 5:No big deal she's staring daggers at me?
Speaker 3:no, she's not staring daggers at you. No, she's just hanging out watching no big deal. She's staring daggers at me because I feel this is happening. No, no, she's not staring daggers at you.
Speaker 5:No, she's just hanging out watching, probably curious about who I am hi, okay, yeah, I mean all right.
Speaker 3:I mean, if she wants to just hang out there, that's yeah, you're just hanging out.
Speaker 5:Relax, chill out, it's all good I hold on dw.
Speaker 3:Do you have any questions? Because I feel you probably have been saving up some.
Speaker 4:Well, it's just. I mean, if there's a, I mean if I could pick someone to be related to. I don't know if I could think of someone cooler than.
Speaker 5:Billy the freaking kid yeah, dude, that's badass, and I have photos that show that I look exactly like him without makeup on. With makeup on, I look like her, without it, I look like him. I know that sounds crazy, but it's absolutely true.
Speaker 3:Wow See, y'all didn't think that this ride was going to be this wild when we didn't have a hold of her at the beginning of the show. Now you know why you hung on. Hopefully you did, because we didn't disappoint with this one, all right, so, yeah, okay, I need to know what's your success rate with your psychic readings 90%. Is that verified and who would verify that? I mean is that it?
Speaker 5:Well, I have several clients that can verify that. I have people that actually know me personally that tell me you're as good as they come. I have even been to places. I no longer have communication with specific people, but I know of some people that said that I'm as good, if not better, than Sylvia Brown, as good as, if not better than, like Teresa Caputo. No, I don't claim to be as good or better than her. She's like to me in this day and age. She is the best of the best, and it was Sylvia. God love that sweet woman. Her books taught me how not to be afraid of my own abilities when did you? And taught me how to harness them.
Speaker 3:You said that you so you brought up your ability. So I I have to ask and there's a question from I mean well, a topic from a little bit earlier, but you had said that you have been this way since you were three. Now there's a way you have to identify that you, when you were three years old, you couldn't have been like, hey, I'm second. So when, at what point in your life, did you look at it and identify it like, oh shit, this has been happening since I was a little kid um, it was at age 21 when my ancestors sat me down from spirit and said you're going to be a shaman.
Speaker 5:I goes, okay, uh, what? Huh? Come again. You want it. Y'all pull the strings you make, make it happen.
Speaker 5:I'm not sure I want that, you know, because things were really intense at that time in my life I was seeing, hearing, feeling, sensing, knowing and not understanding fully how it was coming to be. I didn't know at that time about my genetic background. I did not know it, and even though native elders had pointed out to me, I still had not verified it. You know, I had not looked into my lineage at that point. And finally, when I did, I goes, oh, okay, well, now things are kind of falling into place. Makes sense, okay, sense, okay. And I continue to get like little pieces of the puzzle even to this day, like my previous lifetime. I just like, not more than a few days ago, found out that they were actually of Mexican gypsy descent. I goes okay, so the gypsy lineage in my family doesn't just come from my mom, it also comes from that end of it too. And that was like well, with some things that I remember experiencing, that kind of makes sense now. And oh, by the way, high core water, love core water. By the way, hi Core Water, love Core Water. By the way, great stuff.
Speaker 5:And then on my mom's side we have a bit of gypsy lineage, because I was watching a movie called the Sorcerer's Apprentice and they pointed out how the nesting dolls kind of played a part in that kind of thing. And I remember going oh crap, I played with nesting dolls as a child at my aunt's home. I had no idea these were supposed to be a spirit hold. Oh, brig, you know, I'm sitting there feeling like, oh, what did I do, you know? And I let, oh, I let, something out that I shouldn't have, oh, you know, and I remember seeing these and playing with them when I was a kid, in Italy too.
Speaker 5:I didn't know what they were for, and it turns out that they are also something involving the, I guess, gypsy culture. And when I found that out through, I guess, one of my favorite TV programs, I kind of goes huh, I had no idea, wow, and so things have kind of little pieces here and there have all been coming together and I thought, you know, that's probably why I can't find a lot of records on my mother's line. Why it's kind of a little bit more difficult for me to find more of the Hispanic side of the records is because they moved around so damn much.
Speaker 3:You must have too, because you just, I don't know, the longer I talk to you, the more it comes up and it's crazy. So you just probably, yeah, your childhood was in Italy.
Speaker 5:Some of it. Yeah, I had spent my first year of life there. Yeah, my parents took me to Italy when I was about like about a year old, yeah, and stayed there for about a year and came back. They expected me to be immersed in Italian culture, not knowing the American language, not knowing English at all. Well, turns out, I grew up here in the United States, so all I heard was English. What did they think was going to happen? I guess they expected me to be bilingual. Unfortunately, I'm not. I have to relearn everything from that. But anyway, I actually know more Mexican, spanish than I do Italian, and they're really actually very close in linguistics, so it's kind of easier for me to cross culture.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I can see that you can't. I mean, when you're really going Spanish, it sounds a lot like Italian. Yeah, it does.
Speaker 5:Well, all you do is change like a couple vowels, couple consonants, and you've got Spanish or Mexican Spanish, and then you cross it back and it's Italian.
Speaker 3:The Italian is more, you know. Yeah yeah, yeah, Not so much like that Right what's wrong. Dw.
Speaker 4:No, no, what, what no? Your Luigi, impression no, luigi, you no, no nothing, just what?
Speaker 3:what? No, your luigi impression. No, that was luigi, that is. Did you know? Oh, a little thing, you know. You said luigi. Now it brings up mario, and I don't know if you know luigi was my uncle's name.
Speaker 5:Luigi was my uncle's name. I was very close to him growing up.
Speaker 3:See, the more we talk, the more. That's pretty awesome, as long as you're not related to the character Luigi.
Speaker 5:No, unfortunately no. But no, I respect that Because I played Mario Brothers growing up in the 80s, so yeah, so, mario Brothers, you know when he's on there, mario, you think he's saying isa me, mario right, but no, it's not me, mario, it's not, it's uh me no isa isa, isa mario but that is super in Japanese.
Speaker 3:So he's saying not Isami, like hello, isami, whatever. That's not what he's doing. He's saying Super Mario, but it's pretty badass. Everybody thinks it's Italian, but it's not Well thing is he's pronouncing it the Italian way Isamiya.
Speaker 5:Isamiya is it's me, Isamiya. Italian way isa mia, Isa mia is it's me. Oh, Isa mia, Nice. In Mexican Spanish it would be esta me, Esta me.
Speaker 4:Oh, oh, educational episode.
Speaker 3:No, isa me, mario. What did you say Isa me? Educational episode no, isa mi, mario. What did you say isa mi?
Speaker 5:mario, what's the spanish?
Speaker 3:but spanish, esta mi, esta mi isa mi mario, but in spanish it's esta mi manuel.
Speaker 5:Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, it's SW Manuel.
Speaker 3:Yeah, pretty much yeah, okay, all right, dw. You have any questions for at?
Speaker 4:all. No, this has been fascinating.
Speaker 3:Entertaining as hell and fascinating. Yeah, because, like I said, just the book keeps on opening, that page keeps on turning and on the next page is more. It's more thrilling than a stephen king novel right now.
Speaker 5:And as for the um, like the author, I'm to be representing my first book. I'm going to be updating it, all that refreshing it. It's going to be really great nice.
Speaker 3:What was your first book's name?
Speaker 5:well it was born into. Shamanism was the first title.
Speaker 3:Now it's going to be the modern life, or the life of a modern day outlaw psychic there you go and outlaw psychic because obviously you're psychic, but you're tying the outlaw in there because you're related to all of them and I named my business for my ancestors.
Speaker 5:You know, because they've been there for me. They're my rock, they're my strength. You know they've been there for me through everything, thick, thin in between, it don't matter. They've been there for me.
Speaker 3:It's in their honor that's awesome, I you know. So this is the part of the show where we ask you where you can be found for our listeners to find you if they wanted to. So, melissa, where can they find you?
Speaker 5:Everywhere on social media. I am all over the place. I'm on Facebook, tiktok X, getter Truth, social oh my God, instagram Threads through social um, oh my god, instagram, um, uh, threads. Uh, I'm like, I am all over social media. You can find me just about everywhere and um, I'm also going. I'm on um, oh my God, I'm everywhere. Let's put it that way. And you can also get ahold of me at my website, wwwolpsyenpolscientcom.
Speaker 3:That might've been the most complicated web address I've ever heard on here.
Speaker 5:You might want to say that no, it's actually quite easy.
Speaker 3:Okay, you might want to say that one more time, just throwing it out there.
Speaker 5:O-L-P-S-Y-E-N-T. As in Thomas dot com. O-l-s-y-n-t. As in Thomas com O-L-C-I-E-N-T com.
Speaker 3:All right, anybody who can do this, my respects. Please let us know when you comment down at the bottom of you know the thing down there. It's going to say talk to your co-host, go in there and let us know if you got to her website, because that would be. That would be freaking awesome now keep in mind.
Speaker 5:Um, I'm having cataract surgery next month and because I'm not able to see real good, I can't update the website yet. So once that's finished, I'm going to be updating the website with a bunch of new stuff. I'm going to be getting rid of a bunch of old stuff and updating it with new stuff, and so it'll be refreshed very soon. Don't worry, folks. I know everything seems to be kind of at a standstill right now, but that's only because I've got cataracts and, pardon me, I can't see. So I will be refreshing everything, updating it and all that representing it. It'll be cool, but it is up, it is open. If you want to get a hold of me Psychic Mom P-S-Y-C-H-I-C-M-O-M Mary Oscar, mary 2017 at gmailcom, ask me just about anything you want.
Speaker 3:I don't mind, don't matter to me, that's awesome, I love it. So you know, dw, let me ask you a question Is it your turn or my turn? Buddy, it is your turn, it is.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 3:That's good.
Speaker 4:So, Melissa, get ready for 10 minutes of food questions.
Speaker 3:No, probably not, but thank you for.
Speaker 5:Okay, no problem, I'm also a baker and a cook, so oh, there we go, jesus. I can't write that much, bro, and yes, I will have a cooking book coming out, probably 2028 or 2029, I'm not sure which one. But yeah, I do have fun writing. I love my writing work.
Speaker 3:It's a lot of fun okay, so spoiler alert, this what the book's about it? Uh, it's about outlaw cooking and I'll tell you this uh, it is a pot with beans and bacon in it, so just throwing it out there there you go look over.
Speaker 5:Well, my cookbook is far more than that sweetie okay, mine is far more than that.
Speaker 3:All right, I was just, I was just going.
Speaker 5:Bacon and beans is just one of many things I make well.
Speaker 3:There you go. Yeah, chili without the beans, all right Actually.
Speaker 5:I do make my own homemade chili. Yes, I do New Mexico red. It starts out low and slow, sweet and steady, and then five minutes later you're going to be calling the fire department because it goes straight too hot.
Speaker 3:That's how I like chili too. Damn it. We're talking about all this food, food. I can't probably eat a little bit, but anyway, um, all right, so we do this thing at our at the end of our show. Well, towards the end of our show, it's called this or that.
Speaker 3:Basically, we ask you a couple questions and you just pick which one you want okay okay, all right, and I am going to be the person that's going to be telling well, asking the this or that questions today. So we already discussed this earlier. Remember that, dw yep all right, that's fine. So, melissa, are you ready for this or that? Ready, shut? All right, here we go. I'm just going to do it now, in spite.
Speaker 5:Go for it.
Speaker 3:Tell me Bacon or sausage.
Speaker 5:Both. Actually, I love bacon and I love sausage. I grew up on it. My beloved grandmother bless her. She made the best.
Speaker 3:Okay, all right.
Speaker 5:Waffles or pancakes, oh my God. Um well, if it's going to be waffles, I love waffles, but if it's pancakes, it's blue corn pancakes all the way through. Uh, regular pancakes are a little dry for my liking.
Speaker 4:uh, regular pancakes are a little dry for my liking, so I really, really love blue corn pancakes sounds good.
Speaker 3:Okay, I don't know what that is, but it's actually made with blue corn masa flour.
Speaker 5:It's really really good. Check it out, look it up. Oh my god, you're gonna thank me for this one all right, or have a heart attack.
Speaker 3:One of the two, two.
Speaker 5:All right.
Speaker 3:So I don't know. All right, we're not going to do the food thing because DW is making comments and over there being smart, it's fine. So, no more of that stuff. I got to get to the meat of the matter here and that's this Like you're obviously an outlaw, so I'm'm gonna ask you a lot of questions okay, okay, jesse james or dillinger or jesse, okay, all right we knew dillinger.
Speaker 5:We did know dillinger. Yeah, um, he was one of the many outlaws we knew.
Speaker 3:So, yeah, but jesse, for sure, for sure, grandpa rocks all right um billy the kid or wild bill hook cock billy, all the way billy.
Speaker 3:But yes, we did know bill, he was cool, he was a character he was kind of an outlaw, but then not really he was a tweener that's what you call now a tweener, like he was the all right guy, but then at times he had when he when he needed to be yeah, you know how to turn it. Like I'm a tweener, dw, did you not? I'm a tweener. I'm like in between, like I I could be nasty as shit, but I'm really nice most of the time.
Speaker 5:So can most of us. Okay, and I'm I'm known for having a temper.
Speaker 3:I'm not, I'm not known at all so and we'll get to that in just a few minutes, um, all right, so I'm going to ask you the other questions, like paranormal or comedy, paranormal all the way through all the way through, all the way through.
Speaker 5:Okay, movies or tv, um, I'm gonna say a little of both only because I watch a uh, a channel called grit outlaw, called Grit Outlaw, and they show nonstop, 24 hours a day, seven days a week, westerns and I love my western movies. They're all classics and I absolutely love them, especially John Wayne she Wore a Yellow Ribbon and Fort Apache, my two absolute all-time favorites, outside of Young Guns Young Guns 2, which set the bar for modern westerns.
Speaker 3:You know I was going to say Young Guns and Young Guns 2 were good. Of young guns, young guns too would set the bar for modern westerns. You know I was gonna say um, young guns and young guns too were good. But you know, I was never a real big western guy. I thought my mom and dad, because I grew up, um, you know, I grew up in the in the 80s, so my mom and dad they're like you know, they'd watch?
Speaker 3:yeah, because that's what they, you know that's what they did and I would just be like, oh, this is so stupid. But the westerns that I did get into, basically because it's the perfect films, is you know Sergio Leone in the good, bad and the ugly? You know that trilogy of films right there.
Speaker 5:Right, and I have a story behind Clint Eastwood. I do have a story behind some of Clint Eastwood's stuff. Now, hollywood will never tell you this, he will never tell you, this Media won't never tell you this, but he was actually discovered at my grandfather's cabinet shop. That is where he was actually discovered at my grandfather's cabinet shop.
Speaker 5:That is where he was discovered discovered like from a talent agent or whatever talent agent came to my grandfather's shop to get cabinets built for whatever his thing was I don't remember what it was now but came in there, saw him and said you'd be perfect for whatever you know, and they signed him.
Speaker 3:I mean, similar things have happened to me. You'd be perfect for looking like an idiot standing there and I'm like great, here I am as you're putting away frozen pizza and, yes, I've been in two westerns myself.
Speaker 5:um, they're both independent, small budget films, but I loved every second of working with them, loved every second. The animals made it all, loved every second. The animals made it all worth it. I get out of the truck, the horses on set looked right at me and the wranglers came up to me and goes what's your secret? I goes I'm mom, just the way it is. I'm mom. And their horses followed me around like lost dogs. I know it sounds crazy, but it did happen.
Speaker 3:I don't know how I'm going to finish this. So, because I'm going to ask something and it's going to, I don't know, ask away. I know I'm just I'm going to ask something and it's going to, I don't know.
Speaker 5:Ask away.
Speaker 3:I know I just I'm, I'm trying, I'm getting, I'm getting to the the good, the good parts here, All right Ghost hunters or ghost adventures.
Speaker 5:Ghost hunters because they're a little bit more practical Ghost adventures I'll give a nod to only because Zach kind of reminds me of me in my earlier years of doing what I do and I do believe now that he is like I am. He is a medium and although he does not acknowledge it which, zach, if you're watching sweetie, you've got to start acknowledging you are a medium, like it or not, love it or lump watching sweetie, you've got to start acknowledging you are a medium, like it or not, love it or lump it. Sweetie. Sorry, you got the ability.
Speaker 3:I hope he's watching or listening. You got the ability. It'd be great if he was. You said you acted like him.
Speaker 5:Well, no, basically what it is is that his like in his earlier years he was like, really, really scared to death, and he finally learned how to harness this ability and now he's able to work with spirit, not get flustered, not get rattled, not get scared. You know, and that's one thing we say in ghost hunting no fear, no fear. Show respect to spirit, don't scream, don't run, don't whatever. You know.
Speaker 3:I mean, it's okay to be scared, but just don't show them that you're scared you know, I would buy that, I buy everything that you're saying with how that is, because I was in a ghost hunting group and that is true. Like you back out of a room, you don't run out of it, you don't whatever. But I don't know what school good old baggy aggians went to, but I'm gonna say that like it's not good because he screams and runs and everything's a demon and he's possessed and everything yeah, no.
Speaker 5:Um, I'm sorry, zach, if you're watching. Sweetie, not everything is a demon. Trust me, I've been there done. I've been around the block quite a few times and in the early part of Ghost Adventures he actually used some of my information. No-transcript you.